System Data Files Huge and Keep Growing

I have read many of the posts about this problem but none of the recommended solutions seem to have worked. I have an iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2019), 3.6 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 with a 3 TB fusion drive. There is a 1 TB Windows partition and a 2 TB macOS partition running Monterey version 12.3.1. Lately I have noticed the System Data has gotten huge and is growing larger every day so that I am rapidly running out of free space. Yesterday, to try to free up more space, I deleted about 500 GB of games and other applications. Instead of recovering free space, the System Data immediately grew from 967 GB to 1.5 TB. I do not use Time Machine for backups and have checked for old snapshots using Terminal; there were none. I have tried starting in safe mode and used the latest version of Onyx to address any system file problems. There were none. I soon will have no free space and at a complete loss as to how to resolve this issue. Can anyone help?

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Posted on Apr 26, 2022 11:48 PM

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Posted on May 4, 2022 1:47 AM

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Carbon Copy Cloner, P. Philips. Although there may be other applications with obsolete files filling up the drive, that turned out to be the prime culprit. You were correct about there being many CCC snapshots and reading some of the documentation (when all else fails!) revealed at least part of the reason for the large System Data block and why it immediately grew when I deleted all those applications, games and documents: the snapshots retain a version of the deleted software in System Data in case you want to change your mind and quickly recover files. So when I deleted 500+ GB of files, they disappeared from my applications and documents but were now retained in the snapshots in System Data. CCC suggested addressing the problem by adjusting the default retention policy settings for snapshots so that more snapshots would be deleted more quickly and that the volume would retain more free space. I did so and almost immediately recovered over 500 GB of free space! I will keep an eye on this going forward and will continue to cull obsolete application files and documents. BTW, the latest version of MicroMat TechTool Pro (15) does support Monterey and the company was helpful in pointing out some of its obsolete large files in Application Support that I could safely delete. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and support.


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May 4, 2022 1:47 AM in response to Owl-53

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Carbon Copy Cloner, P. Philips. Although there may be other applications with obsolete files filling up the drive, that turned out to be the prime culprit. You were correct about there being many CCC snapshots and reading some of the documentation (when all else fails!) revealed at least part of the reason for the large System Data block and why it immediately grew when I deleted all those applications, games and documents: the snapshots retain a version of the deleted software in System Data in case you want to change your mind and quickly recover files. So when I deleted 500+ GB of files, they disappeared from my applications and documents but were now retained in the snapshots in System Data. CCC suggested addressing the problem by adjusting the default retention policy settings for snapshots so that more snapshots would be deleted more quickly and that the volume would retain more free space. I did so and almost immediately recovered over 500 GB of free space! I will keep an eye on this going forward and will continue to cull obsolete application files and documents. BTW, the latest version of MicroMat TechTool Pro (15) does support Monterey and the company was helpful in pointing out some of its obsolete large files in Application Support that I could safely delete. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and support.


Apr 30, 2022 1:55 PM in response to ScorpioX3

1 - Launch Disk Utility and select the Mac-Data drive.


2 - go to the View menu and select Show Local Snapshots.



3 - you can select a local snapshot and use the "-" button at the bottom to delete it. Leave one or two. That will save you some space but additional snapshots will be recreated.



When you delete a snapshot you probably won't regain the entire displayed size as it uses lots of hard links.


May 1, 2022 2:25 AM in response to ScorpioX3

As the Users issue is focused solely on Drive Space, will narrow and focus only on that specific aspect.


It has been years since seeing and using TechTools Pro and not even sure if it is supposed on Monterey.


Back in the day when I used this software ( OS X 10.4 Tiger ) , it would create a Separate Partition ( Virtual or Real ) on the drive in-order to work its’ magic.


If that is still the method, there is space being used. The user will need to investigate all the details regarding this software to determine just how it works and if it is supported on Monterey.


Time Machine Backup is not or configured .


But yet there are list 19 Snap Shots listed ( Space Used ). These , I suspect they are coming from Carbon Copy Cloner which should have moved them to the External Drive once the Cloning process has been completed


Would suggest two things. Make sure one is using the current version os CC 6.1.1 and read up from https://bombich.com/kb/ccc6/frequently-asked-questions-about-carbon-copy-cloner-safetynet#safetynet_dont_delete regarding the SafetyNet Aspect of the software. This may account for Space On the Internal Drive being used. Once that specific aspect is resolve, one may or may not find Space Used will be reduces.


Description: 


Q - iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2019), 3.6 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 with a 3 TB fusion drive. 


Q - 1 TB Windows partition and a 2 TB macOS partition running Monterey version 12.3.1.


Hardware Information:

iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2019)

Drives:

Q - disk0 - APPLE SSD SM0128L 121.33 GB (Solid State - TRIM: Yes) 

Q - disk1 - APPLE HDD ST3000DM001 3.00 TB (Mechanical - 7200 RPM) 


Kernel Extensions:


Q - /Applications/TechTool Pro 15.app    [Not Loaded] spdKernel.kext - com.micromat.driver.spdKernel (1.0 - SDK 10.14)


3rd Party Preference Panes:

Q - TechTool Protection (Micromat, Inc. - installed 2022-04-26)


Backup:


Time Machine Not Configured!


Q - 19 other local snapshots


Q - 3rd party backup: Carbon Copy Cloner


Q -  2022-04-28 21:01:17 TechToolProDaemon Crash (2 times)


    Executable: /Library/PreferencePanes/TechTool Protection.prefPane/Contents/PlugIns/TechToolProDaemon.app


    

Apr 28, 2022 2:04 AM in response to ScorpioX3

To see all aspect in the Hardware and Software installed on the computer >>


Suggest downloading the Application Etrecheck directly from a well Respected ASC Contributor. And Safe to use.


The application is free or paid from added features. 


Run the application with Full Disc Access ( Security & Privacy - Full Disc Access ).



It will take a Snap Shot -  both the hardware and software.


 The Report will Not Reveal Any Personal Information. 


Post back the Full Report - copy and paste - using the Additional Text Icon ( 3rd Icon to last )



We can have a look at the report for possible issues and may have possible suggestions to resolve the issues.

Apr 27, 2022 7:42 PM in response to ScorpioX3

Hi, ScorpioX3.

I am William, and I am here to solve a problem.


First, update your Mac to the latest Monterey version. An update is kind of a rewind for the computer to clear out any unnecessary cache.

If that doesn't work, check if other users have been using the Mac as well. Commonly System Data will fluctuate, so it's just a matter of time.

Finally, if that STILL does not work, store all important files on to an external hard drive and restore your Mac computer. This will wipe out all data. Do note that if you wipe all data, other users' data will be wiped too.


Hope this helps!


Sincerely,

William :)

Apr 27, 2022 1:25 AM in response to ScorpioX3

EDITED


The Drive has a finite Capacity. Once needs to Off Load some of the e-Mails, Pictures, Messages, etc as per your photo above.



Add is the iCloud Storage. Whatever is on iCloud is also stored Locally on the Internal Drive. That is how iCloud works. iCold is not like an External Drive and used for Storage. It is a conduit to have changes to a file to be uploaded to iCloud and the changes are reflected to all other devices the user owns and using the Same Apple ID.



What is “Other” storage on a Mac, and how can I clean it out?


Free up storage space on your Mac


OmniDiskSweeper Safe to use


GrandPerspective 


How to delete Time Machine snapshots on your Mac


See used and available storage space on your Mac


Locate backups of your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch


The final word from Apple on Managing the " Other " Category


Other: Contains files that don’t fall into the categories listed here. This category primarily includes files and data used by the system, such as log files, caches, VM files, and other runtime system resources. Also included are temporary files, fonts, app support files, and plug-ins. You can't manage the contents of this category. The contents are managed by macOS, and the category varies in size depending on the current state of your Mac.

Apr 27, 2022 7:06 PM in response to Owl-53

Thanks for your response, P. Phillips. Much of it I was already familiar with. I have used OmniDiskSweeper before. I did find GrandPerspective to be quite useful in seeing exactly what is taking up so much space. However, I have been deleting quite a bit but that seems to have no impact at all on reducing the size of the System Data. In fact, as I indicated above, I deleted about 500 GB of games and other applications but instead of recovering free space, that space appeared to immediately get added to the System Data which grew from 967 GB to 1.5 TB as soon as I did that. This makes no sense to me. Any thoughts about why that happened and how I can actually recover that space?

Apr 30, 2022 1:59 PM in response to ScorpioX3

A Fast and general view of the Report supplied.


Will look in Great details tomorrow when I am free.


Right away I see a Fusion Drive and right here this will be a Performance Bottleneck even with a 7200 RPM Mechanical Drive


Secondly, running with a Great Many System Modifications . This type of setup plus running Several Different versions macOS plus a Bootcamp - is a potential mix for issues


As mentioned - when free tomorrow will go through with fine-tooth comb and et back to you

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