How can I get rid of unauthorized MDM connotations @Roikins

thank you to those who actually BELIEVE me!

My phone is NOT “company owned”, it’s *mine* and I never gave anyone permission to supervise OR manage it. It shows no MDM profile.

I believe someone must be able to help me…. Please!

OMG! IM CRYING!!

Suzy Q the EXACT same right down to parental control and it still continues, at this point it's either the man I live with or someone managed to get in our wifi. No one ever finds any problems because, it's not considered a problem. Makes me look crazy, it only affects my devices. I can set up a new device away from home but only if I do NOT take any electronic anything with me, not even earbuds. Only then do I have a normally operating phone. BUT only until I come home, last time it was a text from him that set it off. I also need someone to talk to, this is driving me crazy. It makes you not trust anyone! Have not been able to call my daughter in Australia for months, calls will not connect. Every thing else is recorded and sent to some cloud that I can't control or even find.

Unfortunately this is the reaction I’ve gotten from people who could be in a position to help me, “It’s not possible”.

I would describe what was happening before my eyes on the device and they would repeat the above sentiment with a patronizing note in the delivery (much like your response).

ONE Apple support person admitted after an HOUR of exhaustive explanation of the proof finally admitted, “If you’re not being stalked this is the most bizarre set of coincidences I’ve ever seen”. He had no advice to give, but his validation was definitely appreciated.

So, please exempt me for explaining for the 100th time how my phone performs, just know that every characteristic is has is that of a managed phone (plus a few that aren’t). Humor me, ok? Just pretend I have demonstrated before your eyes that there is little if any difference between mine and a managed device, and you know what that entails. NOW imagine there is no indication or “proof” to how it became that way. Every indicator that it has been set up as such is missing… imagine how **** right FRUSTRATING it is to have snide remarks with the subtext that I must be either lying or crazy and then get DISMISSED to boot?

What I was hoping for here was to find others this has happened to, to see if any lay people (not Apple employees who will not admit it is so therefore avoiding liability) has any ideas. I see that I’m not the only one…. Doesn’t that indicate this very well might be an “impossible” possibility and those of us at our wits end need support and god willing a few ideas??

I have NO idea how this was done, just that it WAS. So…how about suspending your cynicism and let’s figure out how this came to be so maybe I can prevent it in the future??

They do it through Microsoft on sync AD All that is needed is your phone number. Forward the confirmation text and boom! All devices linked to the Apple ID is theirs. This is a nightmare and apple knows it.

People keep saying "PHYSICAL ACCESS TO DEVICE" as if that's letting "*some one*" off the hook for the non disclosure / non removal / life threatening stalking that the op is talking about. It's actually called - hacking. And, it's illegal as all ?"*ell". If you think things can not be installed without physical access, please educate yourself, as that is not true. One wrong link click and the reverse shell on your device is allowing another party to view your cameras. Anything you can do , someone remotely can do as well. And, the device doesn't know, at least not in a way that it can tell you directly. And no, Malwarebytes isn't going to automatically find it. <-it might and might not. No one has physical control of their devices all of the time anyway, even you Marine. Stop harping on people like they deserve anything for "SOMEONE HAD TO HAVE PHYS ACCESS nonsense"

Yea it is. Series of what happened with me. They used application email which happens to be backup email to access the apple account. In short, google and Microsoft ties everything together. All they have to do is gain access to one and there you go MDM. This is a serious problem.

This is happening to me as well and it has been done remotely. I am not sure if it is thru hidden files on iCloud or what but I had a falling out with my brother where I worked in a family business for the last decade. My former employer (Dad and brother) have used some kind of software or inventory protection service, MDM etc and remotely infected all the devices in my household ( I have four daughters - 2 of them have MacBooks and all 6 of us have iPhones as well as an iMac 27" 2015. All of these devices have been basically hacked and I cannot restore them to a normal version of Monterey. One of the older Macbooks that I purchased and upgraded the Ssd drive has a version of BIG SUR and will not let me update to or install from usb drive to Monterey. I have spent the last 6 weeks researching and monitoring web activity. I purchased a new 13 pro max after I left the company and there are apps that are contacting malicious domains after deleting all files and settings several times I guess I am going to try a new Apple ID. This really sucks because I have had this for 15 ish years with over 45 thousand photos and videos. All of my email accounts were compromised (GMAIL) so I have moved to encrypted email hence the name change on my Apple ID. What the heck am I supposed to do? This should be illegal and I thought Apple was supposed to be secure. I am blown away and I have finally found someone with a similar story..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

This absolutely has happened to me. 3 1/2 years and counting. I quit trying to post out here because my posts always get deleted. But you’re not alone.

You can argue all you want. MDM CANNOT be installed without your permission on an iOS/iPadOS device without physical access or being purchased by the org. Period. This MDM install can also only happen on a device that has not been set up, or has been wiped. It cannot happen to a device that is set up without your permission, and even then, you can remove the profile. Can someone compromise your accounts? Absolutely. It happens all the time. Can they attempt to trick you into installing MDM? Sure. It happens (not very often though).

What is Skywalk and how can someone be connecting to me THROUGH it, and run some kind of "flow" something or another when i have not consented (and that is actually a property saying i have not consented)?

You cannot have a MDM remotely installed on your device. Nor can you be enrolled in a developer program at Apple without your Apple credentials. (even if you are enrolled in such a program, and a configuration profile was installed, it would indicate Apple, Inc Further, a MDM cannot migrate anything on your device to anyone else.

If you think your Apple ID has been compromised - Apple Support

You're only displaying a certificate, not a profile. Where di you go in settings to find that certificate? You should just be able to toggle it off or remove it.

Automated enrollment can ONLY happen on devices purchased through Apple's Business management program (formerly the device enrollment program).

If you bought your device(s) directly from Apple or from an authorize retailer, the ONLY way for an MDM to get installed is for you, or someone with physical access to the device and your Apple ID and password to install it.

celliott147, Thank you for all of your insight as just rereading this thread in the last 4 min answered questions that Apple refused to answer over hours and hours of on phone support. I completely understand what you are saying, especially the 'if the org owns the device , there is nothing the user can do to prevent me from managing it', so , that being the case, How does one determine without a doubt IF their device is managed and by what org.

Unfortunately I believe you are saying that a device not managed that someone gets temporary access to, either physically OR virtually (vnc etc) can then be enrolled in ABM, making it 'owned' by the organization. How about if someone received the serial numbers of a number of purchased systems before they were ever set up? Let me guess, a device not enrolled yet is 'fair game' and the first one to do it , like you said, OWNS IT, forever.

Taking this to it's natural conclusion, and not that you would ever get involved in this, but considering what laws would be violated at that point, why on earth is Apple seemingly unwilling to produce information that would help literally everyone involved in something like this?