How can I get rid of unauthorized MDM connotations @Roikins

every device i own is being monitored because i have been illegally enrolled in the developer progran, education, enterprise and beta. the apple platform security and apple platform deployment guide explain very thoroughly that device management or supervision can be done manually and then automatically on boot through various identifiers. this is a major violation of my privacy and a huge flaw is apples privacy and security design. there is no accountability or authentication when employers or random people decide to take over another persons device and then life! @Roisin it is happening to me the EXACT same way!!!

Posted on May 7, 2022 4:11 AM

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Posted on May 7, 2022 6:21 AM

You cannot have a MDM remotely installed on your device. Nor can you be enrolled in a developer program at Apple without your Apple credentials. (even if you are enrolled in such a program, and a configuration profile was installed, it would indicate Apple, Inc Further, a MDM cannot migrate anything on your device to anyone else.


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You're only displaying a certificate, not a profile. Where di you go in settings to find that certificate? You should just be able to toggle it off or remove it.

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Jul 19, 2022 1:55 PM in response to ClusterConifertree

ClusterConifertree wrote:

Are companies able to communicate and see other devices on home networks?


Apps can request access to a local network yes, as many apps would be less useful without access to, for instance, printers or external displays.


Reviewing this thread, it’s not clear if there’s even provisioning happening here, past a stale certificate from what looks to be an MDM vendor, and a Microsoft Google account display from somewhere else, and an entirely benign and default Directory Utility display.


In other threads, there have been apparent cases of folks that have purchased pre-provisioned iPhone, iPad, Mac equipment (whether that was from a fraudulent sale or from an improperly-decommissioned device?), and there are certainly ways to get provisioning profiles loaded, and not the least of which are some semi-common scams that claim the target user needs to also accept and have the profile loaded for using some app.


If there’s been a breach sufficient to load a management profile, then the usual response is to wipe and reload with current versions and to change all passwords to new and unique values, migrating only documents and preferences and not apps, and related security- and privacy-focused steps. Loading a rogue profile is not a “hey, cute” breach, it’s a security-catastrophic breach.


Neither macOS, nor iOS, nor iPadOS are invulnerable to breaches and exploits, though breaches of current versions without user involvement—phishing scams, shoulder surfing, gaslighting, etc—are fairly rare. If you’re a higher-profile target of some organization with a whole lot of money, sure, but securing against that is also a whole ‘nother discussion. And those more expensive exploits don’t typically use profiles, from what little has been seen. Profiles… are usually either sketchy equipment purchases, or decommissioning mistakes by the seller or a previous employer, or jailbreaks or phishing, or are otherwise and regrettably loaded by user.


As for these threads… Posting normal, benign, default displays from, for instance, Directory Utility, is counterproductive for claims of breaches. Same holds for posting great swaths of log file chatter, as has happened in other threads around here.


Posting normal log chatter or normal displays and “am I breached?” is sufficiently open-ended to be unanswerable, to be blunt. Not past a generic “probably not”. Proving a negative is… difficult.


If you’re interested in learning more about the operations and internals, the new OS X Internals book (search for “newosxbook”) is a good start. For security, that’s a bit tougher when starting out, but detection is also heavily dependent on knowing what is and is not “normal”, as well as knowing which sorts of breaches are more common, and those that are less common.


Jul 19, 2022 8:50 PM in response to ClusterConifertree

I cannot see or manage devices that are not enrolled in management if they are not on my network. I cannot manage devices that are not enrolled in management, but I can see them if they are on my network. In theory, a company could harvest traffic, but I can tell you that 1) we don’t have time to do it, and 2) we don’t care to do it unless we have to do so for legal reasons, at which point, you would be informed as well because legal reasons. Now, there are some nefarious orgs out there using MDM profiles that they trick users into installing in order to harvest data through a VPN, but again, that must be approved by the user (even if it is a trick), and it can always be removed by the user.

Jul 21, 2022 6:19 AM in response to MrHoffman

Yea my MacBook was brand new. I am pretty aware of phishing as well. I think like you stated it was a fake certificate which authorized. I noticed my personal email was linked to company zoom, teams etc. not sure how that was done. Crazy when I did a complete wipe I started getting weird messages to connect to my phone to bluetooth. In addition to browsing my work computer I found some of the same programs that were on my personal laptop and someone was recording my google session.

Sep 6, 2022 8:51 AM in response to ClusterConifertree

Apple did this by design. Errors happen, but it is incredibly rare. I manage thousands of devices and have for years (almost a decade actually), and I have never seen a device get mistakenly added to my environment. It's not possible to do remotely without the user's knowledge unless the device was enrolled by the reseller. For the reseller to be able to enroll a device, both the org and reseller exchange specific information that allows the information about devices to sync. A random reseller cannot add the device to a random org. If you do get tricked into manually enrolling your device, you can simply remove the profile. Apple has checks and balances both ways. If you bought a device used, you run the risk of getting a device that was stolen, not returned, lost, or improperly released by an org.

Sep 12, 2022 9:32 AM in response to Beepbopjd

Beepbopjd wrote:

They do it through Microsoft on sync AD All that is needed is your phone number. Forward the confirmation text and boom! All devices linked to the Apple ID is theirs. This is a nightmare and apple knows it.


A supervised device is effectively if not actually owned and managed by the organization holding the supervisory lock, yes.


The device is either pre-enrolled by Apple at time of purchase, or the local user confirms the supervision.


This is specifically intended to keep device holders from stealing the organization’s assets.


You’re not the owner of a supervised device.

Sep 13, 2022 12:01 AM in response to RobynGreen

Okay so what previously posted were legit and how I wrote was bias and I apologize. From knowing nothing Jan 2020 to burying myself into computers. Learning json python, etc but the best part is I don’t sound crazy because I know these things now. My had used this against me and I’m waiting for them to get back me but people aren’t so nice these days they exploit little holes and do such bad things. I have to remind my self that there are geniuses building these sites. My neighbor write that BOA whole platform things and I trust him. While we can find a flaw (because we have extra time) these guys are still finding1000 but there a lot better than me and I trust them

Oct 9, 2022 8:20 PM in response to trae276

I have the same story you do, except i was targeted by whomever was able to mine crypto on Centriserve IT servers, and 250 other computers in the office on a Sunday evening at 7p, when my sorry behind was dropping off a new shredder at our corporate office. Im in no way IT, but I know how to be nosy as all get out, and go searching my work HD for stuff i dont recognize, find what i assume was the link to "their" machine still open, and just start deleting files that had anything to do with crypto, mining, MS Edge, and any foreign language-titled files. Next thing i knew, BRICK!

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