Homekit Automations are broken in iOS 16

I have updated 4 HomePods, 2 HomePod Minis, 3 AppleTVs, an iPhone 14 Pro, a first gen iPad Pro, 2 MacBook Pros to all the latest OSs and everything is working fine. Automations are working and I can control all my devices from any of the devices that allow it. Everything was working fine before the updates and everything is still working fine. I set all the HomePods into updating from the Home App on my iPhone last night and did each TV on screen in the AppleTV Settings.

1 AppleTV is set as my Hub and all the HomePods are in Standby. The AppleTV that is my Hub is also on ethernet not WIFI (better speed that way) and who knows if this has any effect but want to give out as much info as I can.

I have 18 devices that always come up as "No Response" (they are Insteon switches and plugs) but when I click the settings dot on the Home App home page on my iPhone and start clicking on each of the "No Response" devices after I click on about 5 of them they all respond. Works different with less success if I just click on the left side of each device button on the home page itself. All the rest of my attached devices (Wemo Thread plugs, iComfort Lennox Thermostat and Eve Aqura) show up just as they should every time. The Insteon devices respond to automations even when they show "No Response" so it's not a big deal.

Things have been mostly going well for me too since I did all those steps to resolve the automation issue.

But once again, this time around 5:12am, I was awakened to my very bright lights turned on. It seemed as though my Coming Home Scene was activated, which makes me think the software indirectly registered as me coming home? This was the automation that broke. Now that I fixed it, it seems as though the system wants to overuse it and enable it incorrectly, when I'm asleep. This has been the second time this has happened. Hopefully the 16.1 updates fix these issues. But I checked the home hub and it was my Apple TV, which had just updated yesterday. And then this happened. So I don't have faith. This is still so frustrating.

Still a No Go for Thread Devices: updated all devices to latest OS after reseting all ATV 4k and HP minis. Added back for now just one HP mini. But all Thread devices still "fail to respond." All non-thread devices working great. I spent lots of $$$ to upgrade older devices to Thread (Eve/Wemo/Nanoleaf) but they just won't work with 16 version (they all worked fine with 15 version). So frustrating.

Still a No Go for Thread Devices: updated all devices to latest OS after reseting all ATV 4k and HP minis. Added back for now just one HP mini. But all Thread devices still "fail to respond." All non-thread devices working great. I spent lots of $$$ to upgrade older devices to Thread (Eve/Wemo/Nanoleaf) but they just won't work with 16 version (they all worked fine with 15 version). So frustrating.

Finally!

Out of a sense of cold weather ennui or perhaps masochism, I tried, once again, to get the Home app (post iOS 16.1) working.

Noticed that when deleting and reinstalling the Home app all the previous lamps, appliances, automations, etc. had been retained. Then went into the Hue app and deleted the Siri link. Reinstalled Home app and then back to Hue to restore the Siri link.

When I went to the Home app it requested that I initiate a new home site.

The updated Home app is MUCH more intuitive and easier to use! Too bad Apple refuses to provide this procedure/information for its customers!

I ended up upgrading my homepod mini to 16.1. Then my Nanoleaf thread light bulbs were all over the place. UPDATING.....NO RESPONSE...FAILED.... for about two days. The wifi smart plugs and Ecobee thermostats were all working fine. I ended up turning off the homepod mini for 15 min and launched the home app on my iphone to confirm the disconnect. Restarted the homepod mini. After about 2 hours it seems that the thread devices re-established their connection with each other???? Not sure but all are working fine now for 48 hours. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the great advice and info you have been posting about Home. I have tried everything -- with one exception -- to get my Thread devices working with iOS 16 (all worked flawlessly with iOS15). Your suggestion to completely "nuke" my Home setup is the last straw which I plan to do next weekend after I receive new ATV models. Am not happy about having to start (42 devices) from scratch -- and not knowing if it will even fix my Thread devices issue -- but after years of being spoiled by dependable and convenient Smarthome systems (first ISY-994 and then Apple HomeKit), it is challenging to function without home automations. But it is clear that something in Apple's latest OS for iPhone/TV/Homepod has caused this issue. I use to be an early "jump on board" user of the newest OS, but I will think twice about doing it in the future.

It’s gotten better. Toggle the ones that aren’t working off, and on again and see if it helps. I’ve done that for some and it worked. The 8 HomePod minis thought wow. I have 2 and an OG HomePod and have siri bouncing all over the place.

I saw similar issues.

I would suggest you look at all the HomePods and make sure the most current version is installed. It seems like they're having trouble updating themselves even if you have requested that they upgraded automatically.

Each HomePod can act as the hub, and it seems like sometimes they jump around from HomePod to HomePod. When it's in an updated HomePod it will work fine, and then it will go to another HomePod and has issues. If you get all the HomePods working and updated your Apple TV+. Also, you're gonna find out they work pretty well.

Unfortunately that's not the case for me. Everything is up to date. All HomePods are on the latest version.

I checked all the devices for updates. The iPhone and iPad are both on 16.1, the HomePods are all up to date, and I event took the liberty of updating all the firmwares on the home accessories as well. It's really hit and miss on whether the automations work or not.

Will say, automations are easy to fix. If you haven’t toggled off and on again, delete the automation and re add. Mine has been corrected. Like you I have 2 mini, 1 OG, 50 hue bulbs, 2 locks, 2 thermostats, 4 sensors, outdoor plug, 3 smart plugs, light strips. I feel ya.

My automations are working under OS16.1 except for the "Turn off after [time]" function. I now have to create an automation to do this. For example, I turn a switch on at 7am and set the Turn Off to 2 hours. The switch comes on at 7am but does (reliably) not turn off at 9am. I have to create a second automation to turn it off at 9am. Not a big deal but a nuisance!

I've updated to the beta with the HomeKit architecture changes, and have upgraded my home.

My initial assessment of it is good. It's quick to respond and the automations appear to be working again.

I'll come back here and update as the days go on, to let you know if it's more stable.

Michael, are you turning the switch on directly in the automation, or triggering a scene? Because one thing that has never worked in Home is using an automation/shortcut to turn off a scene, and that HomeKit quirk carries over into the "Turn off after ___".

Or maybe you have a scene which is also sending an "on" command to the switch, but after your 7 AM automation trigger, and that scene now has taken priority over the 7 AM automation.

I have three Hue motion sensors I've set up to trigger lights directly (not through a scene) and the automation respects the turn off after setting (well most of the time, because HomeKit is still being janky).

It is the 16.2 beta.

We arrived home today for only a minute, to drop things off, then left again.

The automation turned things on as expected, and back off again as soon as we left.

I’ll continue to test.