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How much memory do I need?

I currently have the following memory. It's a brand-new MBP 14 M2 computer. It is already using a swap file. I'm presuming it'll get worse over time. Maybe I was sold the wrong computer. What do you think? I have up to Saturday to go and get a new one.


MacBook Pro 14″, macOS 13.3

Posted on Apr 12, 2023 1:33 PM

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Posted on Apr 13, 2023 8:00 AM

1) If you are running anti-virus or so-called "cleaning" apps, those will affect RAM usage. Remove any such software and let your Mac be a Mac.


2) If you are using Chrome, it is a known resource hog. It and its minion "helpers" can use massive amounts of CPU cycles and RAM.


3) A simple restart is the 100% effective way to clear RAM on a Mac.


There is a way for us to quickly see if something is contributing to high RAM usage and swaps without playing a protracted game of "20 Questions"with you that could go on for days.


We can quickly and within the confines of these forums help you determine what issues are at play if you use EtreCheck Pro, available here:


https://etrecheck.com/index


The free version will do nicely for this purpose, although the app is worthy of our financial support.


We can see hard data about drive performance, software issues, and RAM usage. Etrecheck is the development of a long-serving and trusted contributor here expressly for displaying information in these forums to help us help you in this setting where we can neither see nor touch your tech gear. It will not reveal any personal or secure information.


We senior contributors here have reviews thousands of these reports over the years and may see something important in the report that will not "jump out" at a new EtreCheck user. Posting the report often leads to an issue being fully resolved with only one more post of your part.


The report is too long to post directly, but this this excellent user tip shows how to post long text reports like EtreCheck using a feature included in the forum software.


How to use the Add Text Feature When Post… - Apple Community


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Apr 13, 2023 8:00 AM in response to SSL-ADT

1) If you are running anti-virus or so-called "cleaning" apps, those will affect RAM usage. Remove any such software and let your Mac be a Mac.


2) If you are using Chrome, it is a known resource hog. It and its minion "helpers" can use massive amounts of CPU cycles and RAM.


3) A simple restart is the 100% effective way to clear RAM on a Mac.


There is a way for us to quickly see if something is contributing to high RAM usage and swaps without playing a protracted game of "20 Questions"with you that could go on for days.


We can quickly and within the confines of these forums help you determine what issues are at play if you use EtreCheck Pro, available here:


https://etrecheck.com/index


The free version will do nicely for this purpose, although the app is worthy of our financial support.


We can see hard data about drive performance, software issues, and RAM usage. Etrecheck is the development of a long-serving and trusted contributor here expressly for displaying information in these forums to help us help you in this setting where we can neither see nor touch your tech gear. It will not reveal any personal or secure information.


We senior contributors here have reviews thousands of these reports over the years and may see something important in the report that will not "jump out" at a new EtreCheck user. Posting the report often leads to an issue being fully resolved with only one more post of your part.


The report is too long to post directly, but this this excellent user tip shows how to post long text reports like EtreCheck using a feature included in the forum software.


How to use the Add Text Feature When Post… - Apple Community


Apr 13, 2023 1:17 PM in response to Allan Jones

  1. Doug suggested Intego, but if I don't need it I won't use it. I don't visit dark websites in any way. Or, should I?
  2. I only use Safari for now, but I'm realizing it is not fully compatible with the WordPress page builder I'm using. I'm currently trying to contact the maker of it to discuss this.
  3. That means having to recover the closed browser tabs.


EtreCheck sounds like a winner. I'll look into this some other time.


As for upgrading to 32 GB, if I need to install other browsers for working on and/or for testing purposes. I shall likely exceed the physical memory I have. According to Activity Monitor, I'm using 14 GB of memory out of 16 GB with just Safari involved. And I'm likely to get many more tabs open at once in the near future.


So, maybe I shouldn't gamble and exchange it with 32 GB of memory. I'll sleep better at night.


Can I just show up at the Apple store and exchange it? Or, should I call them first? Will they be able to transfer my data to the new computer? And erase everything on this one?


Regards,


-Ronald


Apr 12, 2023 2:53 PM in response to SSL-ADT

I see now. 24 GB offered, but only on the 13-in model with Touch Bar, or the fanless MacBook Air.


What were you doing in that day? could you have closed something and gotten by without overflowing RAM? such as closing Browser while editing Video?


In some cases, spilling to swap is no big deal, if you can clear it up later with a restart.

Apr 13, 2023 6:04 AM in response to y34r-z3r0

I talked to a hardcore Mac user on Forumania, and he says the same thing, that I have enough of 16 GB of memory and it is perfectly normal to see some swapping on a MacOS computer.


And upon Googling for more understanding, here's what I have found:


"All that RAM you installed is used to keep useless files in memory. If swap is used, your RAM is too low. But even if you have a fair amount of RAM, Mac OS will not use it efficiently, but prefer to swap rather than get rid of stale cache."

Apr 13, 2023 6:10 AM in response to SSL-ADT

It is a mildly complex subject, and you will find differing views.

What you appear to be doing now is akin to "Doctor shopping" to get the view that you want to hear.


You have dodged my early questions: "what work do you do on this computer?"


and you have dodged my follow up: "are there steps you could take while doing your most intensive work that would keep memory use to a lower level?"

Apr 13, 2023 7:35 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I have known Doug from Forumania for many years, and he insists that 16 GB is good enough for me. I definitely wanted more personally. His brother has a MacBook Pro 14 M1, doing music editing, and he supposedly never runs out of memory. Doug says that if I did some video editing (such as YouTubers do), then I would need extra memory for sure.


As I SOHO business owner, I do many things on the computer, email, lots of Internet surfing, webinars, online bookkeeping for my company, website creation via Elementor Page Builder, Photoshop image resizing and optimization, and some feathering, but sometimes background removal and layer add-ons.


Sure, I could close some standby apps that I may never use on that day.

Apr 13, 2023 7:57 AM in response to SSL-ADT

From that description, you don't appear to need to spend US$400 to upgrade to 32 GB.


Quitting un-needed Apps while editing is often the Quick-fix that allows most users to get by with less.


If your Mac gets slow, such as when swap used grows large, a Restart sets it all back to the baseline.


Swap is used more aggressively when launching NEW Applications in low-memory situations, because other ways to get more RAM available would take longer, and you should be able to open More Apps when you want to, and not have your computer seem slow.


Since macOS 10.9 Mavericks, Mac memory management is optimized to USE available RAM, such as to cache some previously-read files in RAM, and discard only the oldest least-recently-used previously-read data. "Unused RAM is wasted RAM"


Another optimization added at 10.9 Mavericks was compressing data in RAM, which is far, far faster than spilling it out to the Swap area.

Apr 15, 2023 7:22 AM in response to SSL-ADT

That is the cleanest report I have ever seen posted here. No Bad actors, not even any marginal actors.


Based on how you are working today, this part of the report sums up how you will be working in future:


Top Processes Snapshot by Memory:

Process (count) RAM usage (Source - Location)

com.apple.WebKit.WebContent (12) 1.94 GB (Apple)

Creative Cloud UI Helper (Renderer) 1.13 GB (Adobe Inc.)

EtreCheckPro 1002 MB (Etresoft, Inc.)

Adobe Desktop Service 328 MB (Adobe Inc.)

Safari 239 MB (Apple)


With this Mac with 16 GB installed, If you need a LOT more RAM to edit stuff in Adobe Apps, you can quit Safari (or restart and just not launch safari) and get back a couple of GB to work with. (That is the Safari memory AND the WebKit memory.)


If you choose 'trouble-free', do what you want when you want, that's pay up and exchange for 32 GB model.

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