Apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security after installing 13.5 update.
As a result users are unable to edit location permissions or see what apps have location access.
If a new app tries to request location services, it doesn’t show in System Settings so it’s impossible to enable it. Hopefully macOS 13.5.1 will address that issue.
Mac mini (M1, 2020)
Why is that answer still marked as “Best answer” when it’s clearly false information.
“macOS Ventura 13.5.1 fixes an issue in System Settings that prevents location permissions from appearing.”
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213268
Why is that answer still marked as “Best answer” when it’s clearly false information.
“macOS Ventura 13.5.1 fixes an issue in System Settings that prevents location permissions from appearing.”
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213268
This is fixed in 13.5.1, just updated to it.
Clive Webber1 wrote:
You seem determined to establish that this is a "feature change" rather than a bug but I would suggest that the evidence points to this being a bug and that feedback should be sent to Apple to highlight this to be corrected in a future 13.5.1 update. Firstly, the blue dot you refer to in the Menu Bar was introduced with the 13.3 update, so is not connected to this incident. Secondly, the support page you linked to still refers to the list of applications and the ability to switch permissions for individual apps. Thirdly, the System Settings window itself still contains the phrases "Allow the applications and services below to determine your location." and "(Arrow) Indicates an application that has used your location within the last 24 hours." If this "feature" has been deliberately removed, then these sentences are redundant and should've been removed also.
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So far all I see is direct to me.
To put thins right I am not Apple but a User just like you.
So the questions become;
Have your directed your concerns directly to Apple ?
If not yet - when
Ask Apple if this is Bug or Feature Change as Only Apple can proved a definitive answer.
As for the wording you have correctly quoted.
In Apple Mail on Both macOS Ventura and iOS 16.6
Refer ito image below
Mail Setting >> Junk Mail >>> Blocked
One may have the " Move it to Trash " as listed in the UI by Apple - but we know it does not move to Trash but goes to Junk Folder
There are wording Oddities that do exist and no doubt they may get fixed If it truly and Error
A software update to fix this bug (version 13.5.1) has now been released.
I've just updated 10 13.5.1 and all location services are visible and changeable
You seem determined to establish that this is a "feature change" rather than a bug but I would suggest that the evidence points to this being a bug and that feedback should be sent to Apple to highlight this to be corrected in a future 13.5.1 update. Firstly, the blue dot you refer to in the Menu Bar was introduced with the 13.3 update, so is not connected to this incident. Secondly, the support page you linked to still refers to the list of applications and the ability to switch permissions for individual apps. Thirdly, the System Settings window itself still contains the phrases "Allow the applications and services below to determine your location." and "(Arrow) Indicates an application that has used your location within the last 24 hours." If this "feature" has been deliberately removed, then these sentences are redundant and should've been removed also.
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When you go to "Privacy & Security: Location Services" using the Console - a whole bunch of locationd faults start showing up, all of which say the following:
{"msg":"clientRecord was not a dictionary or did not respond to expected selectors, skipping", "client":<private>}
Below there are 2 errors in the private log suggesting something went wrong with the TCC Database.
2023-07-26 11:19:04.659616-0400 0x1038ed Error 0x218808 170 0 opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Failed SecureToken authentication for A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3 other domain: invalid credentials
2023-07-26 11:19:04.808537-0400 0x1038ed Error 0x218808 170 0 opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Authentication failed for luke (A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3): ODErrorCredentialsInvalid
Looks like some failures to decode or authenticate against a SecureToken directly preceded the task. If anyone else wants to confirm these errors on their system, here's the command to run in Terminal:
log stream --predicate 'subsystem == "com.apple.opendirectoryd"'
Location permissions are actually stored in /private/var/db/locationd/clients.plist
With SIP disabled, you can delete/edit the file.
Entry for Chrome, permission denied
"com.google.Chrome" = {
Authorized = 0;
BundleId = "com.google.Chrome";
BundlePath = "/Applications/Google Chrome.app";
Registered = "";
Requirement = "(identifier \\"com.google.Chrome\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.beta\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.dev\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.canary\\") and anchor apple generic and certificate 1[field.1.2.840.113635.100.6.2.6] /* exists */ and certificate leaf[field.1.2.840.113635.100.6.1.13] /* exists */ and certificate leaf[subject.OU] = EQHXZ8M8AV";
};
Manual entry for Microsoft Edge, allowed
"com.microsoft.edgemac" = {
Authorized = 1;
BundleId = "com.microsoft.edgemac";
BundlePath = "/Applications/Microsoft Edge.app";
Registered = "";
Requirement = "identifier \\"com.microsoft.edgemac\\" and anchor apple generic";
};
Even after 13.5.1 your actual location won't appear, but the update does fix the "applications requesting your location" appearing in privacy and security. Yeah, the applications are now listed but when it comes to showing your location it's still not working.
Short answer - Not possible
Whether we agree with this decision or not the best we can do is live with it or as previous suggests to another user
Then have a few suggestions ;
1 - Get Support Choose a product and we’ll find you the best solution.Start now and open an Apple Support Ticket as they are Apple Employees to deal will these types of issues .
2 - Product Feedback - Apple and make it known to Apple regarding this ongoing issue
P. Phillips, may I ask why you are so adamant that this is a feature change rather than a bug? Do you have any official source that states this? It's not typical Apple behavior to change something critical like this without warning.
Apple generally keeps their fantastic documentation up to date, and I can't find this mentioned anywhere. Their support pages still state we should be able to control location services for third party apps.
Allow apps to detect the location of your Mac - Apple Support
Also, the blue dot you claimed to be new as part of this "feature change" has actually been there since 13.3. That is mentioned in the link above.
It's not a feature, it's a bug.
Current official documentation
"Turn Location Services on or off for each app in the list on the right."
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/allow-apps-to-detect-the-location-of-your-mac-mh35873/mac
It will be a feature when the documentation changes.
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Until a fix comes into surface there's a workaround to the broken Location Services bug.
Resetting the system privacy permissions for specific apps seems to be the only way out.
However, do note that the success rate of this workaround is quite low (only a handful of the users ‘claimed’ that this rectified their issue), so proceed ahead keeping that in mind:
tccutil reset app_name
That’s it. This was all from this guide regarding the Location Services not working on macOS 13.5.
As far as the official stance on this matter is concerned, Apple developers are aware of this issue but they haven’t given out any ETA for the rollout of a fix.
Apple developers are actually working for a solution and a fix will be offered in the form of an upcoming 13.5.1 update very soon. There's no ETA for a potential release as of yet.
Have you restarted the Mac?
Location Privacy is broken after installing 13.5 update
