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Location Privacy is broken after installing 13.5 update

Apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security after installing 13.5 update.


As a result users are unable to edit location permissions or see what apps have location access.


If a new app tries to request location services, it doesn’t show in System Settings so it’s impossible to enable it. Hopefully macOS 13.5.1 will address that issue.

Mac mini (M1, 2020)

Posted on Jul 25, 2023 1:02 AM

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Posted on Jul 25, 2023 2:13 AM

dragontorc wrote:

Weather Guru, FindMy, Maps, Google Chrome, Safari and Siri are some of the apps that require location access.

App location privacy settings are no longer shown in the Security & Privacy preferences after applying the 13.5 update.


https://discussions.apple.com/content/attachment/597a0c29-0de6-4624-9b32-8b40ebbe8cbd

Yes, the Location Services in " Privacy & Security " has changed and does not Expressly List all the Applications that use this service.


This is a change in Appearance from previous version of Ventura


But it does not mean it is broken as per se


Have just done a few tests running some different Applications that would require this Location Service functions.


They all work as expected


I have noticed a newer appearance of an icon in Upper Right of the Menu Bar.


It will appear with a small Blue Dot and pulsate bright Blue and then to almost white each time an Application that uses the Location Service


It is part of the System Services which Location Service is part of it


We hope this answers your question or at least shed some light on it


All above is from a computer running Ventura 13.5




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Jul 26, 2023 4:39 AM in response to dragontorc

The Only Entity of Apple on there forums are the Apple Moderators


They work behind the scenes doing exactly that - moderating the forums.


IMHO - There has been sufficient advise offered for the User ( you ) to make an informed and educated choice what remedial actions are available to lodge their displease with this Feature change.


The suggestions have been put forth on a volunteer basis, in good faith and in the best interests of the computer.

Jul 26, 2023 9:28 AM in response to FelixGarcia

When you go to "Privacy & Security: Location Services" using the Console - a whole bunch of locationd faults start showing up, all of which say the following:


{"msg":"clientRecord was not a dictionary or did not respond to expected selectors, skipping", "client":<private>}


Below there are 2 errors in the private log suggesting something went wrong with the TCC Database.


2023-07-26 11:19:04.659616-0400 0x1038ed   Error       0x218808             170    0    opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Failed SecureToken authentication for A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3 other domain: invalid credentials
2023-07-26 11:19:04.808537-0400 0x1038ed   Error       0x218808             170    0    opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Authentication failed for luke (A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3): ODErrorCredentialsInvalid


Looks like some failures to decode or authenticate against a SecureToken directly preceded the task. If anyone else wants to confirm these errors on their system, here's the command to run in Terminal:


log stream --predicate 'subsystem == "com.apple.opendirectoryd"'


Jul 26, 2023 5:15 PM in response to coder_dude

You are so right! There are at least two other forums discussing it as a bug

You wonder why Ventura has the broken Location Privacy, so important to all of us.

Let's hope we will get a 13.5.1 soon that fix it.


My earlier post was deleted because I mentioned a Public Beta behaviour

and it's not allowed in these forums

I didn't know it. So I updated it.

Jul 26, 2023 5:31 PM in response to annabelle

It appears that the security patch for Apple Mobile File Integrity is partially responsible for the bug we're talking about, though we don't have a clever evidence yet to determine if the patch in question is the main cause of the issue.


In many cases a bug report has been filed and a fix is currently in the works. We had to wait until macOS 13.5.1 finally pops out.

Jul 28, 2023 4:16 AM in response to dragontorc

Location permissions are actually stored in /private/var/db/locationd/clients.plist

With SIP disabled, you can delete/edit the file.

Entry for Chrome, permission denied

  "com.google.Chrome" =   {

    Authorized = 0;

    BundleId = "com.google.Chrome";

    BundlePath = "/Applications/Google Chrome.app";

    Registered = "";

    Requirement = "(identifier \\"com.google.Chrome\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.beta\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.dev\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.canary\\") and anchor apple generic and certificate 1[field.1.2.840.113635.100.6.2.6] /* exists */ and certificate leaf[field.1.2.840.113635.100.6.1.13] /* exists */ and certificate leaf[subject.OU] = EQHXZ8M8AV";

  };

Manual entry for Microsoft Edge, allowed

 "com.microsoft.edgemac" =   {

    Authorized = 1;

    BundleId = "com.microsoft.edgemac";

    BundlePath = "/Applications/Microsoft Edge.app";

    Registered = "";

    Requirement = "identifier \\"com.microsoft.edgemac\\" and anchor apple generic";

  };

Jul 30, 2023 11:25 PM in response to dragontorc

Pretty sweet feature, thanks Apple! Now that I've purchased and updated my new macbook pro I cannot watch Hulu on it due to needing to grant Chrome access to Location Services.


After reading the comments it looks like its possible to fix this by disabling SIP, but that shouldn't be the expectation for the common user. Get a fix in place!


Guess I will need to think twice before updating to the next available OS.



Aug 10, 2023 7:27 AM in response to dragontorc

It's pretty important to remove the "Best answer" mark from the P. Phillips post which says the location services issue is not a bug. It sends a seriously wrong message and it might make other websites slightly cautious about calling out this very serious bug.


I called Apple support. They were very clear that it is a bug and they are working hard to fix it. There should definitely not be an accepted response to the contrary on an official Apple discussion forum.

Aug 10, 2023 8:50 AM in response to BobZed

BobZed wrote:

What factors allowed that post to be chosen as best answer? Is it just how many people clicked "Helpful"?

The original poster is in complete control of that. When you create a thread, you get to pick one "Best Answer" and two "Helpfuls". However, lots of people who are new to the forums (and some who aren't) don't quite understand how it works. Sometimes, you'll see people mark their own "Please why has no one answered me!?!" posts as "Best answer".


Sometimes you will see an "Apple recommended" answer. Those are chosen by the Hosts (Apple employees) in situations where the original poster hasn't selected a "Best Answer". I believe they base the choice on reading the answers and deciding which one best answers the question and does it in the way that reflects how Apple thinks it should be answered.

Aug 10, 2023 2:13 PM in response to BobZed

BobZed wrote:

Your response, P. Phillips, is a bit hard to understand. It sounded like a reprimand, but I'm sure that was unintentional.

I find that I enjoy this site more if I keep in mind that community members come from a wide range of linguistic and cultural backgrounds. And, with the exception of the people pasting in answers from ChatGPT whose motives I've yet to discern, most people here are genuinely trying to help.

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