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Apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security after installing 13.5 update.
As a result users are unable to edit location permissions or see what apps have location access.
If a new app tries to request location services, it doesn’t show in System Settings so it’s impossible to enable it. Hopefully macOS 13.5.1 will address that issue.
Mac mini (M1, 2020)
You seem determined to establish that this is a "feature change" rather than a bug but I would suggest that the evidence points to this being a bug and that feedback should be sent to Apple to highlight this to be corrected in a future 13.5.1 update. Firstly, the blue dot you refer to in the Menu Bar was introduced with the 13.3 update, so is not connected to this incident. Secondly, the support page you linked to still refers to the list of applications and the ability to switch permissions for individual apps. Thirdly, the System Settings window itself still contains the phrases "Allow the applications and services below to determine your location." and "(Arrow) Indicates an application that has used your location within the last 24 hours." If this "feature" has been deliberately removed, then these sentences are redundant and should've been removed also.
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Yes the before and after are very correct 👍
Though, In the context of @ Locomotivation original query " Does 13.5 have a bug that makes it impossible to determine " and parsing the wording - Not a Bug but a Feature change
The Only Entity of Apple on there forums are the Apple Moderators
They work behind the scenes doing exactly that - moderating the forums.
IMHO - There has been sufficient advise offered for the User ( you ) to make an informed and educated choice what remedial actions are available to lodge their displease with this Feature change.
The suggestions have been put forth on a volunteer basis, in good faith and in the best interests of the computer.
When you go to "Privacy & Security: Location Services" using the Console - a whole bunch of locationd faults start showing up, all of which say the following:
{"msg":"clientRecord was not a dictionary or did not respond to expected selectors, skipping", "client":<private>}
Below there are 2 errors in the private log suggesting something went wrong with the TCC Database.
2023-07-26 11:19:04.659616-0400 0x1038ed Error 0x218808 170 0 opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Failed SecureToken authentication for A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3 other domain: invalid credentials
2023-07-26 11:19:04.808537-0400 0x1038ed Error 0x218808 170 0 opendirectoryd: (PlistFile) [com.apple.opendirectoryd:auth] Authentication failed for luke (A865CEC2-417A-4DB9-9522-A3B522CF95D3): ODErrorCredentialsInvalid
Looks like some failures to decode or authenticate against a SecureToken directly preceded the task. If anyone else wants to confirm these errors on their system, here's the command to run in Terminal:
log stream --predicate 'subsystem == "com.apple.opendirectoryd"'
Perhaps the broken location service issue is partially caused by the most recent security patch for AMFI.
This leads me to point out that patch in question is - supposedly but not likely - the culprit for all our nightmares.
You are so right! There are at least two other forums discussing it as a bug
You wonder why Ventura has the broken Location Privacy, so important to all of us.
Let's hope we will get a 13.5.1 soon that fix it.
My earlier post was deleted because I mentioned a Public Beta behaviour
and it's not allowed in these forums
I didn't know it. So I updated it.
It appears that the security patch for Apple Mobile File Integrity is partially responsible for the bug we're talking about, though we don't have a clever evidence yet to determine if the patch in question is the main cause of the issue.
In many cases a bug report has been filed and a fix is currently in the works. We had to wait until macOS 13.5.1 finally pops out.
Location permissions are actually stored in /private/var/db/locationd/clients.plist
With SIP disabled, you can delete/edit the file.
Entry for Chrome, permission denied
"com.google.Chrome" = {
Authorized = 0;
BundleId = "com.google.Chrome";
BundlePath = "/Applications/Google Chrome.app";
Registered = "";
Requirement = "(identifier \\"com.google.Chrome\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.beta\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.dev\\" or identifier \\"com.google.Chrome.canary\\") and anchor apple generic and certificate 1[field.1.2.840.113635.100.6.2.6] /* exists */ and certificate leaf[field.1.2.840.113635.100.6.1.13] /* exists */ and certificate leaf[subject.OU] = EQHXZ8M8AV";
};
Manual entry for Microsoft Edge, allowed
"com.microsoft.edgemac" = {
Authorized = 1;
BundleId = "com.microsoft.edgemac";
BundlePath = "/Applications/Microsoft Edge.app";
Registered = "";
Requirement = "identifier \\"com.microsoft.edgemac\\" and anchor apple generic";
};
They are busy fixing Web Apps.
"Web Apps - Resolved Issues - Fixed: After allowing permission access, the web app correctly appears in System Settings > Privacy & Security > Location Services."
Pretty sweet feature, thanks Apple! Now that I've purchased and updated my new macbook pro I cannot watch Hulu on it due to needing to grant Chrome access to Location Services.
After reading the comments it looks like its possible to fix this by disabling SIP, but that shouldn't be the expectation for the common user. Get a fix in place!
Guess I will need to think twice before updating to the next available OS.
DamonL173 wrote:
Pretty sweet feature, thanks Apple! Now that I've purchased and updated my new macbook pro I cannot watch Hulu on it due to needing to grant Chrome access to Location Services.
Have you tried using Safari?
It's pretty important to remove the "Best answer" mark from the P. Phillips post which says the location services issue is not a bug. It sends a seriously wrong message and it might make other websites slightly cautious about calling out this very serious bug.
I called Apple support. They were very clear that it is a bug and they are working hard to fix it. There should definitely not be an accepted response to the contrary on an official Apple discussion forum.
BobZed wrote:
What factors allowed that post to be chosen as best answer? Is it just how many people clicked "Helpful"?
The original poster is in complete control of that. When you create a thread, you get to pick one "Best Answer" and two "Helpfuls". However, lots of people who are new to the forums (and some who aren't) don't quite understand how it works. Sometimes, you'll see people mark their own "Please why has no one answered me!?!" posts as "Best answer".
Sometimes you will see an "Apple recommended" answer. Those are chosen by the Hosts (Apple employees) in situations where the original poster hasn't selected a "Best Answer". I believe they base the choice on reading the answers and deciding which one best answers the question and does it in the way that reflects how Apple thinks it should be answered.
Thank you for confirming that! Hmm, I typically do get prompted for updates, but this one hasn't shown up on my M2 Pro Mac mini as of today. I'll see if I can get it "forced." Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
Tesserax wrote:
Thank you for confirming that! Hmm, I typically do get prompted for updates, but this one hasn't shown up on my M2 Pro Mac mini as of today. I'll see if I can get it "forced." Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
I'm usually a bit behind on my macOS updates.
BobZed wrote:
Your response, P. Phillips, is a bit hard to understand. It sounded like a reprimand, but I'm sure that was unintentional.
I find that I enjoy this site more if I keep in mind that community members come from a wide range of linguistic and cultural backgrounds. And, with the exception of the people pasting in answers from ChatGPT whose motives I've yet to discern, most people here are genuinely trying to help.
Location Privacy is broken after installing 13.5 update
