Issue with Proximity Sensor during calls - Continued v2

Bobby1983 wrote:
Oh my word, continuation again. Apple are you getting the message? Many users are still suffering from this issue and are waiting for a fix.

Please ignore people like M Empire, PBerk, Mbasoonc2003 and other idots flooding this forum.

Some people are not worried about their own ego's here, they are just loyal apple customer who deserve some answers.

Thank you

As I already predicted :

1. Nothing is fixed until Now and it will not be fixed ever by any software fix.
2. The 4.1 will come out in October time or so Apple can continue sell the defective devices and make all the money they want.
3. It will be NO recall and it will be hardware fix but not public. Only the most complaining will have the phones replaced. But it will happened months from now.

All this I already explained in July before and after the conference and so far I am correct about every detail I established and predicted.

Loyal customers do not need answers as much as they need working phone. But it is not about Iphone4.

Welcome back Michael.
You have to bear in mind that most people cannot be ar$ed reading up and finding out about the issue, and maybe only a few ever go back more than a few pages and read before they shoot their mouths off and post. They tend to start from a position of ignorance and that ignorance tends to be self selected, and they have a short sharp shock when they realise ignorance is not tolerated by the seasoned posters on the site.

I decided to stick with my handset. My usage patern is such that this is a non-issue for me. I suspect the Verison iPhone will not have this flaw. Apple will not build a new phone with the same fault in it. The antenna design is fundimental to the structure of the phone, it's also a completely irrelevant issue over hyped by the press. It will be in the Verison phone. But the PS sensor can be swapped out. I suspect it could also be tilted within it's aperture, and/or physically refocused without altering the design or production of other components like the screen etc. So I suspect we will see a redesign. I doubt there will be a sneek hardware fix/swapout of iP4s. Wind of that (and I'm sure Gizmodo will be taking handsets apart and out them if they do) would descimate trust in Apple as they would be seen as trying to rip off customers and conceal a flawed sensor.

The only course of action they have is to ignore the issue all together and carry out no hardware fix. Yes, change the software, but do not alter the hardware until you are on to the next ahardware handset model. Apple are no foold. They are not going to make this situation worse by trying to alter the handsets.

mbassoc2003 wrote:
Welcome back Michael.
You have to bear in mind that most people cannot be ar$ed reading up and finding out about the issue, and maybe only a few ever go back more than a few pages and read before they shoot their mouths off and post. They tend to start from a position of ignorance and that ignorance tends to be self selected, and they have a short sharp shock when they realise ignorance is not tolerated by the seasoned posters on the site.

I decided to stick with my handset. My usage patern is such that this is a non-issue for me. I suspect the Verison iPhone will not have this flaw. Apple will not build a new phone with the same fault in it. The antenna design is fundimental to the structure of the phone, it's also a completely irrelevant issue over hyped by the press. It will be in the Verison phone. But the PS sensor can be swapped out. I suspect it could also be tilted within it's aperture, and/or physically refocused without altering the design or production of other components like the screen etc. So I suspect we will see a redesign. I doubt there will be a sneek hardware fix/swapout of iP4s. Wind of that (and I'm sure Gizmodo will be taking handsets apart and out them if they do) would descimate trust in Apple as they would be seen as trying to rip off customers and conceal a flawed sensor.

The only course of action they have is to ignore the issue all together and carry out no hardware fix. Yes, change the software, but do not alter the hardware until you are on to the next ahardware handset model. Apple are no foold. They are not going to make this situation worse by trying to alter the handsets.

As you remember I also predicted that it is the other case scenario when Verizon Iphone is released in December - January Apple will introduce the New Model for GSM and call it Iphone5 or so. As I stated before in this case Apple makes money 2 times on defective iphone4 and on probably working new model.
Meanwhile as I already many times addressed Apple continue to sell the defective device by promises to fix by software but it is not happening.
It is not happening this month or next month ,because is NOT software fixable.
Some financial interested Apple sells as much as possible can call iphone4 " Remarkable device " but I only see here remarkable fraud from Apple selling phone a lot of people can not use as a phone.

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This is the second "continuation" of this thread in two months because the mods felt the thread was becoming too large and was causing browser time outs. There have been two major threads on this topic with over half a million hits combined and we're now starting on a third. Yeah, and hardly anyone is experiencing a problem with the iPhone 4 proximity sensor. Riiiiiight. . .

The reason for that is that you have the same folks making the same point over and over again on long (very long) posts (MichaelUmpire for eg). I have to admit that I do the same sometimes and shouldn't but seeing the absurdities is hard to hold back. I continue to have to love my "unique" phone (if you can call unique a phone that millions of others users have and love around the word).

emilylab wrote:
The reason for that is that you have the same folks making the same point over and over again on long (very long) posts (MichaelUmpire for eg). I have to admit that I do the same sometimes and shouldn't but seeing the absurdities is hard to hold back. I continue to have to love my "unique" phone (if you can call unique a phone that millions of others users have and love around the word).

It is another user who claims how happy he is with NOT working iphone4. Millions of people try to enjoy iphone4. It is true. The phone suppose to be great device also true . Millions of people do not know that their phone have the problem with PS it is true , even they do have the symptoms as everybody else. Millions of people ignore the problem because some people blind , do not care , used to deal with bad not working product and etc.
But what is also a real truth that iphone 4 has proximity sensor problem and Millions of people do still have and will be forever experience the problem and never be able to use the phones as a phone.
It is also true that Apple will never fix it with any software releases.
I tell you where is your frustration about my posts come from. I do not allow you and Apple to lie and mislead the public with fraud statements about soon software fix. You do not like someone here expose how the situation is in reality. You like to tell others about Millions of happy iphone4 users so those others stop complaining.
What interest do you really have to promote all those lies ?

why cant they just make it so we can lock the phone while on a call? it just hangs up now...

I have had problems with the proximity sensor since the day I received my iphone4. It has muted, conferences random people and hit random keys. It is far beneath the standard I expect of Apple. Shame, shame, shame.

I do wonder about these users who just registered and popped up with opinions similar to MichaelEmpire... Also wonder who Michael really is? Maybe he should get a Sony or Samsung phone. or LG? ...

Sorry to hijack briefly, but it was posting on this thread that made me stumble on this security breach on the iPhone....

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2552179

It's been confirmed. With a friend's permission I used their iPhone to reset their password and accessed their iTunes account with no information other than that on the handset. Be warned. iTunes is not secure if you access it from your iPhone.

emilylab wrote:
I do wonder about these users who just registered and popped up with opinions similar to MichaelEmpire... Also wonder who Michael really is? Maybe he should get a Sony or Samsung phone. or LG? ...

You are really unrestricted with your fantasies that someone will make a fake registration just to make a fake posts here. Please do not exaggerate the importance of this forum.
Michael Empire is another iphone user who also disappointed but not as much by the fact that Apple failed completely to make a working device but more by the fact that Apple continue to sell defective product knowing users can not return it after 30 days. Is not it a fraud ?
On top of it giving some kind of encouraging promises to fix it somehow soon and misleading the consumers for the goals of profit and share value.

I am sorry I did not invent the Proximity issue.

But Eventually the justice will be served . As Much as some believe Apple will fix it by Miracle software even there is no grounds for such optimistic believe , I believe in a justice system and punishment for Apple for the Fraud.

So far for almost 2 month on this forum anything I predicted and stated did not become true ? Where is the Fix ? When ? Where is the great company extending 30 days ?

The iphone4 is simple failure from Apple but being fair Apple as any other company can sometimes fail, even this time failure is part of Apple lack of testing and top secrecy policies. Apple cares more about the secrecy than about testing. But It is still understandable.
But selling defective device after Apple has all the chances to realize that device is definitely defective and intentionally keeping low profile of the Proximity Sensor problem is a fraud and Apple in this case is the company committing this fraud.

Apple should require a valid, registered Iphone 4 number before enabling anyone to post in this forum. I'll bet 80% of the posts would disappear and we would be left with users with real problems and real posters trying to help

emilylab wrote:
Apple should require a valid, registered Iphone 4 number before enabling anyone to post in this forum. I'll bet 80% of the posts would disappear and we would be left with users with real problems and real posters trying to help

Then they'd have to create a separate site for iPhone 4's only! Cuz, this forum pretty much covers all Apple products, not just iPhone 4. Yes, lets lock those pesky iPhone 2G, 3G and 3GS users while we're at it.

emilylab wrote:
Apple should require a valid, registered Iphone 4 number before enabling anyone to post in this forum. I'll bet 80% of the posts would disappear and we would be left with users with real problems and real posters trying to help

We already got your point . You can not afford to admit Apple made and continue to sell defective iphone4.
For this reason anybody who complain are lawyers looking for cases , people never had iphone 4 , people registering 3 times under different names just to post negative feedback , those who have bad habits to hold the phone as they used to hold it for years.

PS problem is according to you is very little small issue and may be be only 3.5 people had it for 2.5 times. It is according to you does not bother millions and the rest does not matter.
How far you are ready to go just for one goal : Not to admit it is the huge issue bothering millions of people. For 2 Months nothing is fixed as you probably already understood will not be fixed.
So now you switched from baseless software fix promises to denial issue strategy.

About the real help of this forum. I think ( may be I am wrong ) I was trying to share my tests and then my opinion what and when will happened. I am sorry I can Not yet to change the iphone4 hardware and there are no other way to help .

The rest of the suggestions : Push the home button , keep the phone 45 degrees NE ( where the North is Magnetic but not True North ) , tilt the phone away from you cheek , use bluetooth ( the one does not work correct ob iphone 4 ), first connect via headphones then unplug them and many other great fixes require the patents and I will not use them with out the license.

Why doesn't Apple just allow the Proximity Sensor sensitivity adjustment to be made in Settings? Then they can collect the settings data like they already do for debugging purposes and then they will possibly find a happy medium from the millions of users.