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How do I manually manage iPhone playlists in Ventura?

Background: I recently got a new Mac Mini and went from Mojave/iTunes to Ventura/Music app with my iPhone 12.


I don't use Apple Music to buy music at all. My previous iTunes setup was perfect.


I buy lossless music (usually .flac) from various non-streaming, non-sync-ing, non-Apple outlets for work, and need/want to keep them on my Macs in lossless format. I convert these files to mp3 for phone listening and in Mojave/iTunes made playlists on my phone and transferred these mp3s to a relevant playlist. All manual, no sync. I'd then sort the playlist on the phone by date added, save to play order, delete the (now redundant) mp3s on my Mac and be happy. What I wanted was in the right playlist, in the right order on my phone and nowhere else.


Now I'm trying to do the same thing in the Music app included with Ventura and pulling my hair out. I have sync disabled, manually manage music enabled, but it seems the best/only thing I can do is make playlists in the Music app and drag these onto the iphone/device. 2 problems > 1. deleting the now-redundant mp3s on my Mac means that the next time I drop an updated version of an existing playlist to a device, that the mp3s that are no longer on my Mac are deleted from the device. If I'm not syncing and managing music manually, why do the contents of my device need to rely on what's on my Mac?? 2. No sort by date available. In a playlist that might necessarily grow to 200+ tracks. Ugh.


I can see an apparently pointless list of music files on a device in its Finder window but....so? Why's that even there? I'm really hoping there's some big AHA lightbulb waiting for me and it's not really all the messy pile of hot garbage it seems to be.


If these things aren't possible using the Mac-included apps I'm more than happy to look at paid alternatives.

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Posted on Sep 16, 2023 7:55 AM

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Posted on Sep 17, 2023 11:36 AM

Music and Finder are less suited to manual management than iTunes before them. You cannot edit metadata or playlists on the connected device, nor play the music that is on it through the computer's speakers. Deleting items is much more complicated. If you sync with selected playlists you move all the control into the library, then connect the device to update it with changes when you're ready. Granular control is exactly the same, and it is easier to rebuild your selection on the device if it ever needs to be restored or replaced. This does however require that you keep all the content in your library (which could be on an external drive) which you would ideal keep backed up to a separate drive for security.


If you have content on the device that isn't in your library see Recover your iTunes/Music library from your iPod or iOS device - Apple Community.


tt2

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Sep 17, 2023 11:36 AM in response to charibancho

Music and Finder are less suited to manual management than iTunes before them. You cannot edit metadata or playlists on the connected device, nor play the music that is on it through the computer's speakers. Deleting items is much more complicated. If you sync with selected playlists you move all the control into the library, then connect the device to update it with changes when you're ready. Granular control is exactly the same, and it is easier to rebuild your selection on the device if it ever needs to be restored or replaced. This does however require that you keep all the content in your library (which could be on an external drive) which you would ideal keep backed up to a separate drive for security.


If you have content on the device that isn't in your library see Recover your iTunes/Music library from your iPod or iOS device - Apple Community.


tt2

Sep 22, 2023 3:34 AM in response to turingtest2

Thanks tt, I appreciate you taking the time to read through my necessarily convoluted post - you did better than the 5 or 6 people I got shuttled around at Apple ;)


And yes, an unfortunate outcome. Am I really the obsolete limb that actually doesn't buy all their music as mp3 or stream it from the cloud? Say I'm working using Apple apps to create music etc that I want to listen/check on my phone but as I have the original lossless files have no need to keep them on my computer? Sorry for the vent...


Anyway, one other fairly prickly issue connected to this:


Say I added tracks 1-5 to playlist A last week, then deleted the mp3s from my Mac.

The following week I add trks 6-10 to playlist A, drag it to my phone and lo and behold 1-5 disappear from my phone playlist. Unfortunate, but that's how we got here. The EXTRA downer is that 1-5 are STILL on the phone, floating free. OK they can be added back to a playlist, hooray! But doing 100 trks one-by-one? No thanks.


So, I'm going to leave Apple feedback and cross my fingers but my new Mac has made life harder in some small aspect.


Sep 23, 2023 5:26 AM in response to charibancho

A potential hack, depending on exactly how Music behaves under the hood, might be to remove tracks 1-5 using Finder, but leave the corresponding entries in Music. As I recall this used to work fine with older iPods, but not with iPhones and iTunes. It all depends on exactly what logic has been implemented in the new Music/Finder transfer process.


tt2

Nov 24, 2023 4:23 PM in response to turingtest2

Been investigating a while and trying to adjust to the process but...it really is...I really can't see any aspect in which it actually works manually...from adding, removing, deleting....utterly opaque and purely counter-intuitive.

I'm going to go to an Apple store next couple of weeks and try and get enough insight to work out a process with someone.

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