How many Thunderbolt 3 hard drives can be connected to an iMac 2019?

I currently have four LaCie BigDisk 20TB Thunderbolt 3 external hard drives serially connected to one of the two TB3 ports on my iMac 2019, and then I have an additional four LaCie 4TB USB-C external hard drives each connected to the USB port on each of the BigDisk drives, plus one external 2TB Samsung USB-C external hard drive connected to the other TB3 port on my iMac; my question is if there are any limits to the number of external hard drives that can be serially connected to one TB3 port, i.e. will it be possible to add say two more LaCie BigDisk 20TB external hard drives to this particular chain of four 20TB drives (with an additional 4TB drive connected to each of these)?

Posted on Sep 20, 2023 3:29 PM

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Posted on Sep 21, 2023 9:23 AM

Emm W wrote:

provided of course that I really can daisy-chain all six to one of the iMac TB3 ports (which given the answers below I'm not yet completely sure I can do; someone mentioned a limit of 5 units, someone mentioned up to 6 units)?


The first 5 in my reply was a typo. I meant to say that the limit is 6 per TB host port – including any Thunderbolt docks or hubs that might be hanging off that port.


PS! I will look into the OWC bays mentioned; what I had otherwise found before is this bay from Synology:
https://www.proshop.se/Datalagring/Synology-DX1215II/2973828
This however doesn't seem to have a TB3/USB-C port, but rather something called "InfiniBand", which if I understand correctly should instead be connected to the iMac EtherNet port??


The Synology Web site says that the DX1215II is a "plug-and-play" expansion unit for a Synology DiskStation. I would guess that InfiniBand is some sort of proprietary connection that the DX1215II uses to communicate with compatible DiskStation products. Presumably you would look at specifications for the DiskStations to see how they would work with your Mac.


https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DX1215II#features


I found an InfiniBand cable on a third-party retail site. Based on the picture and the wording "SATAx4", it doesn't look like any Ethernet cable that could plug into your Mac. It does not even look like a SFP+ or QSFP cable of the sort that might plug into enterprise-level networking equipment.


https://avoira.com/synology-cable-infiniband-infiniband-cable-0-63-m-satax4-black-brushed-steel-cable-infiniband.html


So you'll need to find a DiskStation to go with that drive bay unit …


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Sep 21, 2023 9:23 AM in response to Emm W

Emm W wrote:

provided of course that I really can daisy-chain all six to one of the iMac TB3 ports (which given the answers below I'm not yet completely sure I can do; someone mentioned a limit of 5 units, someone mentioned up to 6 units)?


The first 5 in my reply was a typo. I meant to say that the limit is 6 per TB host port – including any Thunderbolt docks or hubs that might be hanging off that port.


PS! I will look into the OWC bays mentioned; what I had otherwise found before is this bay from Synology:
https://www.proshop.se/Datalagring/Synology-DX1215II/2973828
This however doesn't seem to have a TB3/USB-C port, but rather something called "InfiniBand", which if I understand correctly should instead be connected to the iMac EtherNet port??


The Synology Web site says that the DX1215II is a "plug-and-play" expansion unit for a Synology DiskStation. I would guess that InfiniBand is some sort of proprietary connection that the DX1215II uses to communicate with compatible DiskStation products. Presumably you would look at specifications for the DiskStations to see how they would work with your Mac.


https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DX1215II#features


I found an InfiniBand cable on a third-party retail site. Based on the picture and the wording "SATAx4", it doesn't look like any Ethernet cable that could plug into your Mac. It does not even look like a SFP+ or QSFP cable of the sort that might plug into enterprise-level networking equipment.


https://avoira.com/synology-cable-infiniband-infiniband-cable-0-63-m-satax4-black-brushed-steel-cable-infiniband.html


So you'll need to find a DiskStation to go with that drive bay unit …


Sep 20, 2023 5:09 PM in response to Emm W

It's my understanding that a Thunderbolt chain can include up to 5 devices. If you use a Thunderbolt hub (like the OWC Thunderbolt hub) to split one chain into three, it doesn't raise the limit, and the hub itself counts as a device, so then you have a limit of 5 devices attached via three chains.


Of course, there are some Thunderbolt drive enclosures that have room for multiple drives. For instance, OWC has ThunderBay 8 and ThunderBay Flex 8 enclosures that can hold up to 8 drives (if you've got a ton of $$$$$ to burn on the drives and enclosures).


If you daisy-chained six of those to one Thunderbolt port, you could theoretically have up to 48 hard drives hanging off that port. Though I wouldn't advise you to try to access very many of them simultaneously!


The 2019 iMacs have two Thunderbolt 3 ports. I'm guessing that the ports share the same Thunderbolt controller – that there's only 40 Gbps bandwidth (total) for both ports. Not sure if there's a limit of 6 devices (total) for both, or if you can have a 6-device chain hanging off of each. If you could have 12 eight-drive enclosures hanging off your iMac, then you could attach 96 hard drives.


And your office would look and sound more like the machine room of a corporate I.T. department than like a place where you would want to live.


Sep 20, 2023 4:24 PM in response to Emm W

I would not try to daisy chain them to a single port on the back of the iMac. I'd get self powered dock with a number of appropriate ports and use it.


I recommend looking at the various docks at OWC (MacSales.com) as they have proven reliability, excellent customer support and warranties.


For your particular iMac model contact OWC's customer support and get their recommendation for the dockl that would best suit your iMac model, work requirements and budget. 


Sep 20, 2023 5:27 PM in response to Servant of Cats

There is at least one 22 TB hard drive on the market. 96 of those would give you 2,112 TB. Let's say that the hard drives you can actually get can sustain transfer rates of 262 MB/s (2 Gb/s) (based on this article). That sounds way too high to me, and it doesn't account for overhead, but for fun, let's run with it.


Then to read or write all 2,112 TB, your Mac would need to do non-stop disk I/O for almost 100 twenty-four hour days. Even if you had enough money to build a machine room in your house and fill it with 96 hard drives, I don't think you'd have the free time to sit around and use them all!




Sep 21, 2023 6:55 AM in response to Emm W

Thanks everyone for your feedback (especially Servant of cats, as your name indicates we have something in common ;-)!


Selling my four LaCie 2Big Dock 20TB hard drives (80TB in total) and replacing them with a single bay/array that holds say 12 internal hard drives à 10TB (120TB in total) could of course be an appealing option to adding another two LaCie 20TB drives to my current four — provided of course that I really can daisy-chain all six to one of the iMac TB3 ports (which given the answers below I'm not yet completely sure I can do; someone mentioned a limit of 5 units, someone mentioned up to 6 units)?


The advantage with an additional two LaCie drives is that the setup with four has worked fine for me in terms of noise (they are not silent but at least fairly quiet; I have them in an open cupboard next to my computer desk), and it will be easier logistically to add two rather than first sell all four I have now and then purchase a bay/array setup to replace them with.


The advantage with switching to a bay/array setup is that I will have only one single unit connected to the iMac TB3 port, and anytime I need to up the ante storage-wise, I can easily replace one or more of the 10TB drives to a bigger size (I have seen there are now 20TB drives available). I am actually leaning towards this solution as I have the means for doing this, but my concern then is if a bay/array with 12 x 10TB drives will be as quiet as six separate LaCie 20TB units? Again, I have them just beside me, so noise level is a concerning issue. Has anyone here had any experience with such bay/array setups, or have information about their noise level compared to several separate drives?


Thanks in advance!


PS! I will look into the OWC bays mentioned; what I had otherwise found before is this bay from Synology:

https://www.proshop.se/Datalagring/Synology-DX1215II/2973828

This however doesn't seem to have a TB3/USB-C port, but rather something called "InfiniBand", which if I understand correctly should instead be connected to the iMac EtherNet port??


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