Seeking advice on using Mac laptops in Windows 11 enterprise environment (compatibility with security policy)

Hello, 


My team and I have been using a Mac in a large organisation that is predominantly Windows-based for years. Previously, the organisation's security policy required us to install Symantec with Cisco AnyConnect as the VPN, which allowed us to do most of our work on the Mac. 


Recently, we were informed that the organisation's environment is transitioning to Windows 11. As a result, Macs can no longer access restricted content stored in MS Outlook, SharePoint, and some online databases. According to the IT department, Macs lack the necessary configuration for security posture checks, threat protection, zero trust, and data loss prevention. 


While SSE (aka Global Protect) is available for Mac, it only solves the issue of zero trust, but not the rest of the security components not supported on the Mac platform. 


As a creative team, we feel the Mac platform better aligns with our creative processes and workflows. Therefore, we wonder if exploring a solution for Mac users with the IT department would be feasible. 


Alternatively, we're also curious if these security concerns are genuine and if Apple needs to catch up with industry developments and expectations for large organisations. Our industry is higher education. We tried Windows 11 with bootcamp and it failed due to lacking a TPM module.


One final detail: the Org does support IOS (iPhone and iPad) so it's unclear why the incompatibility is specific to laptops.

MacBook Pro (2017 – 2020)

Posted on Nov 24, 2023 12:02 AM

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Nov 29, 2023 5:59 PM in response to denimcloak

wait wait wait.


The T2 chip is the equivalent or better than any Windows TPM module. And it 's not just a hack added at the last minute, it also integrates a custom SSD controller for the Internal drive. MacBook Pro since the 2018 intel models all have T2 chip, and even better features are built into Apple-Silicon Macs.


Your IT staff appear to be un-educated. And Students want Macs!


This is the opening page of a security GUIDE, quite extensive:


Apple Platform Security - Apple Support


and more along the same lines


What is a signed system volume? - Apple Support


About the read-only system volume in macOS Catalina or later - Apple Support


Signed system volume security in iOS, iPadOS, and macOS - Apple Support



Privacy and Security. That's Macintosh!

Nov 24, 2023 1:16 AM in response to denimcloak

Just throwing this out there. Apple, the largest company in the world, with a significant proprietary folio, runs on Mac.


having worked for numerous higher ed institutions and a couple of big name companies, I’ve pretty much always had a Mac. I suspect something else afoot. Whether it’s contractual, ease, or vendor selection, etc. admittedly, I know only very high level computer security so experts may better guide you, but this doesn’t sound right.

Nov 24, 2023 1:39 AM in response to denimcloak

denimcloak wrote:

Hello, 

My team and I have been using a Mac in a large organisation that is predominantly Windows-based for years.

Recently, we were informed that the organisation's environment is transitioning to Windows 11. As a result, Macs can no longer access restricted content stored in MS Outlook, SharePoint, and some online databases. According to the IT department, Macs lack the necessary configuration for security posture checks, threat protection, zero trust, and data loss prevention. 

As a creative team, we feel the Mac platform better aligns with our creative processes and workflows. Therefore, we wonder if exploring a solution for Mac users with the IT department would be feasible. 

One final detail: the Org does support IOS (iPhone and iPad) so it's unclear why the incompatibility is specific to laptops.

If your IT department is adamant in using the Windows environment, your team has practically no chance in winning them over, especially when the security matters are in the fore. The IT department has the company board behind them, practically always.

Nov 26, 2023 5:43 PM in response to muguy

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can relate to your experience. I am wondering if the security features such as "security posture checks, threat protection, zero trust, and data loss prevention" are available on Mac. If yes, then what Apple technology or third-party vendors provide these features? In case my IT colleagues are open to testing, I plan to provide them with a list of ways that we could provide these measures on the Mac platform.

Nov 27, 2023 12:17 AM in response to denimcloak

denimcloak wrote:

In case my IT colleagues are open to testing, I plan to provide them with a list of ways that we could provide these measures on the Mac platform.

If they are IT people, they should know the difference. Also, most IT people are biased toward one system, and don't usually want to rock the boat, or are overly happy to get into areas that would be dangerous to their pay check. So, it is always better to consult your IT colleagues beforehand.



Nov 29, 2023 5:30 PM in response to muguy

Yes, I suspect so too. I work in the education sector where vendors sell computers to both the organization and students. I have been informed that they are trying to figure out a solution for Mac users, but it is not yet available. My question was simply to confirm whether the terms "configuration for security posture checks, threat protection, zero trust, and data loss prevention" are commonly used in the IT sector and whether there are solutions for these attributes in the Mac OS. It's interesting that they are supporting IOS but not Mac OS. I read that there may be a merger of Mac OS and IOS in the future, which could potentially solve this issue.

Nov 29, 2023 5:35 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

Hello there, thank you for your input. I'd like to clarify that the organization in question is actually an educational institution, with thousands of students and staff. The recent policy change seems to suggest that students might not be able to purchase a Mac for studying purposes, and may instead be required to buy a Windows computer that has a TPM module installed.

Nov 29, 2023 5:49 PM in response to denimcloak

denimcloak wrote:

Hello there, thank you for your input. I'd like to clarify that the organization in question is actually an educational institution, with thousands of students and staff. The recent policy change seems to suggest that students might not be able to purchase a Mac for studying purposes, and may instead be required to buy a Windows computer that has a TPM module installed.

If I was a student I would want to be 100% compatible with the required course apps, professors' computers and apps, other students for group projects, and with IT support. If that means using a Windows computer that is what I would do.

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