EtreCheck Report - "Low Performance" & "Poor Performance"

Hello all,


I recently did an EtreCheck Pro report, just to see where my MacBook Pro M1 Max (2021) was at, and I'm having trouble completely understanding the issues it encountered. I did the test twice. The first time, one of the major issues was "Poor Performance." From what I understand, it was due to how long it took for the test to be done (around 12 mins). I then closed all my programs, restarted the Mac, and did the test again. The second time around, it came up as "Low Performance," that it took "an unusually long time to run."


I can't tell whether this is still normal behaviour, or whether there is something clearly presented in the report that would indicate why the report is labelled as "low" or "poor" performance? Would anyone be able to have a look at the reports and let me know?


It does appear that "com.apple.WebKit.WebContent" is using up a lot of RAM, but it's part of the OS, so I don't know if anything can be done about that. The other culprit seems to be "RTProtectionDaemon" since I have Malwarebytes installed and running.


I understand that one of the errors seems to be having multiple antivirus apps installed. I was using Malwarebytes for virus protection, and I also have CleanMyMac, with the malware monitor turned off, for drive cleaning or uninstalling/shredding files or programs.

I do know that having both CMM and Malwarebytes is overkill, but I was using each one for a different purpose. That being said, I don't mind erasing one or both from my computer if it means that I'll have the performance ameliorated significantly. However, if something else is causing the major issue in performance, it would be very helpful to know.


Many thanks in advance for any help provided!



MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 13.6

Posted on Jan 31, 2024 8:17 AM

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etresoft wrote:

There is a big discrepancy here. You are running EtreCheck complaining about poor performance. Yet when you told EtreCheck why you were running it, you said "No problem - just checking". So which is it?


Thank you for your response!

Yes, sorry, I'm not a well-versed EtreCheck user, so for my first attempt, I thought I'd choose an option that was more "general." However, I did write in another post that there were issues with things lagging, certain programs freezing with me having to "force quit" (as EtreCheck states in the first log: "There have been numerous app crashes"), as well as issues with programs like Logic Pro and DaVinci Resolve being quite slow, having latency issues, and crashes, in a way that I would not expect to see in a MacBook Pro M1 Max with 32GB of memory.


I didn't think there'd be an issue on what I chose in the dropdown menu in EtreCheck. The later tests I did, I specifically chose "Computer is too slow," but it still seemed to do the same tests as when I chose "No problem - just checking," so thought it wouldn't matter. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.


Your EtreCheck shows no hardware problems. Your hard drive speeds are good. When you have that accompanied by a slow runtime, it means that there are some other bottlenecks somewhere in the system that may be adversely affecting your experience. I say "may" because EtreCheck really exercises lots of low-level operations. As a side effect, if there is any otherwise unnoticeable problem, then it might show up because EtreCheck is hitting those subsystems so much.
...
If you aren't have problematic incidents, then you probably don't need to be running EtreCheck. But if you do anyway, please don't erase the hard drive or anything based on the results of a report that you generated just after restarting.


Thank you for this information, this is very good to know. As I mentioned above, the issues I've had were what led me down the path to picking up EtreCheck and doing a test. I'm not planning on erasing my hard drive, but didn't want to just sit there and assume everything will fix itself on its own. These are issues that I've had for some time now. So, I thought it'd be best to actually try to figure out what is causing the issues and how I may start to understand how to ameliorate the situation. If things are looking good overall, that is good to know. And those things that are causing these bottlenecks in the system, it's great to also have a better understanding of what they are and how I can move forward with that information. Already with the feedback I've received here, I have a better idea of what to do already.




And lastly, you have lots of audio plug-ins installed. I'm not sure what's going on with those. People who have audio plug-ins either have 3 of them, or 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 of them, with little in-between. They seem to have a detrimental affect on your overall EtreCheck runtime. They probably also have a detrimental affect on your user experience, because if that is slowing down EtreCheck, it is probably showing down other operations too. I'm not sure what's going on here, but something's going on.

It's kind of like those people that complain that Apple charges too much for 8 TB hard drives. Do they really need 8 TBs of data in their home directory? Are they ever going to access all those files? Same for these plug-ins. There simply aren't that many sounds. I might just remove them from EtreCheck altogether, or just show the count.


Yes, it depends on the artist. Some people just need to have tons of plugins, but it often doesn't make sense if you're a solo artist, where you can whittle it down to your most used. In my case, I tend to work with a lot of different artists (who all work with different kinds of "fave" plugins) and a lot of different projects in both the audio and video realm. As I wrote in another post, a lot of these are necessary for compatibility.


Again, I admit that it's true that I can reduce a chunk of them, but overall, there'd still be a lot of plugins that would need to be kept on the system. Certain projects are ones that need to get updated frequently (touring productions of projects that have several lives, for instance). When I open the projects up, some of the plugins need to be in place for further edits and so on.


In any case, aside from your own aversion to having 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 plugins, are they a major culprit in the "poor performance" results of EtreCheck?

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Jan 31, 2024 1:12 PM in response to etresoft

etresoft wrote:

There is a big discrepancy here. You are running EtreCheck complaining about poor performance. Yet when you told EtreCheck why you were running it, you said "No problem - just checking". So which is it?


Thank you for your response!

Yes, sorry, I'm not a well-versed EtreCheck user, so for my first attempt, I thought I'd choose an option that was more "general." However, I did write in another post that there were issues with things lagging, certain programs freezing with me having to "force quit" (as EtreCheck states in the first log: "There have been numerous app crashes"), as well as issues with programs like Logic Pro and DaVinci Resolve being quite slow, having latency issues, and crashes, in a way that I would not expect to see in a MacBook Pro M1 Max with 32GB of memory.


I didn't think there'd be an issue on what I chose in the dropdown menu in EtreCheck. The later tests I did, I specifically chose "Computer is too slow," but it still seemed to do the same tests as when I chose "No problem - just checking," so thought it wouldn't matter. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.


Your EtreCheck shows no hardware problems. Your hard drive speeds are good. When you have that accompanied by a slow runtime, it means that there are some other bottlenecks somewhere in the system that may be adversely affecting your experience. I say "may" because EtreCheck really exercises lots of low-level operations. As a side effect, if there is any otherwise unnoticeable problem, then it might show up because EtreCheck is hitting those subsystems so much.
...
If you aren't have problematic incidents, then you probably don't need to be running EtreCheck. But if you do anyway, please don't erase the hard drive or anything based on the results of a report that you generated just after restarting.


Thank you for this information, this is very good to know. As I mentioned above, the issues I've had were what led me down the path to picking up EtreCheck and doing a test. I'm not planning on erasing my hard drive, but didn't want to just sit there and assume everything will fix itself on its own. These are issues that I've had for some time now. So, I thought it'd be best to actually try to figure out what is causing the issues and how I may start to understand how to ameliorate the situation. If things are looking good overall, that is good to know. And those things that are causing these bottlenecks in the system, it's great to also have a better understanding of what they are and how I can move forward with that information. Already with the feedback I've received here, I have a better idea of what to do already.




And lastly, you have lots of audio plug-ins installed. I'm not sure what's going on with those. People who have audio plug-ins either have 3 of them, or 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 of them, with little in-between. They seem to have a detrimental affect on your overall EtreCheck runtime. They probably also have a detrimental affect on your user experience, because if that is slowing down EtreCheck, it is probably showing down other operations too. I'm not sure what's going on here, but something's going on.

It's kind of like those people that complain that Apple charges too much for 8 TB hard drives. Do they really need 8 TBs of data in their home directory? Are they ever going to access all those files? Same for these plug-ins. There simply aren't that many sounds. I might just remove them from EtreCheck altogether, or just show the count.


Yes, it depends on the artist. Some people just need to have tons of plugins, but it often doesn't make sense if you're a solo artist, where you can whittle it down to your most used. In my case, I tend to work with a lot of different artists (who all work with different kinds of "fave" plugins) and a lot of different projects in both the audio and video realm. As I wrote in another post, a lot of these are necessary for compatibility.


Again, I admit that it's true that I can reduce a chunk of them, but overall, there'd still be a lot of plugins that would need to be kept on the system. Certain projects are ones that need to get updated frequently (touring productions of projects that have several lives, for instance). When I open the projects up, some of the plugins need to be in place for further edits and so on.


In any case, aside from your own aversion to having 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 plugins, are they a major culprit in the "poor performance" results of EtreCheck?

Jan 31, 2024 8:56 AM in response to leroydouglas

Hi, thank you for your response.


Yes, I didn't mention the issues I'm having because it hasn't been anything specific. There are moments where I feel like my M1 Max Macbook doesn't run as fast as I imagined it would.

I mainly get issues with certain things lagging, or when using Logic Pro for recording music, I get certain performance issues (slow system) that I wouldn't imagine I would have on such a fast machine.

So, I started to look into EtreCheck to see if it might come up with something. After doing the test several times, it keeps coming up with the computer being too slow.


After closing CleanMyMac and Malwarebytes, including force quitting the "RTProtectionDaemon," I didn't see much change, but the report seems to indicate that the performance is "Good." However, EtreCheck has also indicated that the "Unsigned files," "System modifications," and "Kernel extensions" might continue to be an issue.


Re: NordVPN, since I travel for work, I unfortunately need to use the VPN to access certain things while away from home.

However, I have no idea where AnonymousVPN seems to come from, as I don't use it currently and it doesn't come up as an application. I'll look into it and see where it seems to be sitting in my system.


Thank you for any additional help or support!



Jan 31, 2024 9:24 AM in response to androidsheep

androidsheep wrote:

Hi, thank you for your response.


I mainly get issues with certain things lagging, or when using Logic Pro for recording music, I get certain performance issues (slow system) that I wouldn't imagine I would have on such a fast machine.

NordVPN, since I travel for work, I unfortunately need to use the VPN to access certain things while away from home.



You have a ton and half of audio plug-ins installed...(?) if all of these are not necessary for Logic Pro, i would whittle that down to the ones you use.



I would suggest while you are not traveling uninstall the NordVPN and compare your results.

Jan 31, 2024 9:02 AM in response to androidsheep

androidsheep wrote:

After closing CleanMyMac and Malwarebytes, including force quitting the "RTProtectionDaemon," I didn't see much change, but the report seems to indicate that the performance is "Good."

Don't just close them. Remove them.

Re: NordVPN, since I travel for work, I unfortunately need to use the VPN to access certain things while away from home.

Are you accessing a secure server at work and NordVPN is required by your employer?


Jan 31, 2024 8:45 AM in response to androidsheep

androidsheep wrote:

Hello all,

I recently did an EtreCheck Pro report, just to see where my MacBook Pro M1 Max (2021) was at, and I'm having trouble completely understanding the issues it encountered. I did the test twice. The first time, one of the major issues was "Poor Performance." From what I understand, it was due to how long it took for the test to be done (around 12 mins). I then closed all my programs, restarted the Mac, and did the test again. The second time around, it came up as "Low Performance," that it took "an unusually long time to run."

I can't tell whether this is still normal behaviour, or whether there is something clearly presented in the report that would indicate why the report is labelled as "low" or "poor" performance? Would anyone be able to have a look at the reports and let me know?

It does appear that "com.apple.WebKit.WebContent" is using up a lot of RAM, but it's part of the OS, so I don't know if anything can be done about that. The other culprit seems to be "RTProtectionDaemon" since I have Malwarebytes installed and running.

I understand that one of the errors seems to be having multiple antivirus apps installed. I was using Malwarebytes for virus protection, and I also have CleanMyMac, with the malware monitor turned off, for drive cleaning or uninstalling/shredding files or programs.
I do know that having both CMM and Malwarebytes is overkill, but I was using each one for a different purpose. That being said, I don't mind erasing one or both from my computer if it means that I'll have the performance ameliorated significantly. However, if something else is causing the major issue in performance, it would be very helpful to know.

Many thanks in advance for any help provided!

<First EtreCheck Report - "Poor Performance".log>
<Second EtreCheck Report - "Low Performance".log>


Do you say what is the issue you are having...?


you would expect etrecheck to run in under 3 minutes—yes...but it says nothing what you are experiencing


I would only run Malwarebytes if you happen to have a malware issue, that you can not resolve.



—CleanMyMac is considered malware

—Nordvpn

—AnonymousVPN


Uninstall all third party apps that are Cleaners/Optimizers/Anti-Virus/VPN

all known to cause issues on the macOS

Jan 31, 2024 12:33 PM in response to androidsheep

There is a big discrepancy here. You are running EtreCheck complaining about poor performance. Yet when you told EtreCheck why you were running it, you said "No problem - just checking". So which is it?


If you have a problem, please describe it in as much detail as possible. Then, people can review your EtreCheck report and offer meaningful suggestions.


Your EtreCheck shows no hardware problems. Your hard drive speeds are good. When you have that accompanied by a slow runtime, it means that there are some other bottlenecks somewhere in the system that may be adversely affecting your experience. I say "may" because EtreCheck really exercises lots of low-level operations. As a side effect, if there is any otherwise unnoticeable problem, then it might show up because EtreCheck is hitting those subsystems so much.


The first EtreCheck report you run is going to be the most accurate. If you keep running reports, then the operating system is going to cache results and show better performance. And the opposite is also true. If you restart, you will erase much of the information that EtreCheck uses to generate its report. So restarts can either make your report run more quickly or more slowly. Either way, running an EtreCheck report soon after restarting will always result in a less accurate report. Ideally, generate an EtreCheck report during some problematic incident or shortly thereafter, before restarting.


If you aren't have problematic incidents, then you probably don't need to be running EtreCheck. But if you do anyway, please don't erase the hard drive or anything based on the results of a report that you generated just after restarting.


And lastly, you have lots of audio plug-ins installed. I'm not sure what's going on with those. People who have audio plug-ins either have 3 of them, or 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 of them, with little in-between. They seem to have a detrimental affect on your overall EtreCheck runtime. They probably also have a detrimental affect on your user experience, because if that is slowing down EtreCheck, it is probably showing down other operations too. I'm not sure what's going on here, but something's going on.


It's kind of like those people that complain that Apple charges too much for 8 TB hard drives. Do they really need 8 TBs of data in their home directory? Are they ever going to access all those files? Same for these plug-ins. There simply aren't that many sounds. I might just remove them from EtreCheck altogether, or just show the count.

Jan 31, 2024 2:24 PM in response to androidsheep

androidsheep wrote:

I didn't think there'd be an issue on what I chose in the dropdown menu in EtreCheck. The later tests I did, I specifically chose "Computer is too slow," but it still seemed to do the same tests as when I chose "No problem - just checking," so thought it wouldn't matter. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

It doesn't matter much. The "No problem" option will change the results a little bit in that it won't offer a solution, because there's no problem.


I just wanted to make sure that you weren't reading too much into EtreCheck. It's a diagnostic tool, not a ground truth.

Again, I admit that it's true that I can reduce a chunk of them, but overall, there'd still be a lot of plugins that would need to be kept on the system. Certain projects are ones that need to get updated frequently (touring productions of projects that have several lives, for instance). When I open the projects up, some of the plugins need to be in place for further edits and so on.

Thanks for the feedback. That makes sense.

In any case, aside from your own aversion to having 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 plugins, are they a major culprit in the "poor performance" results of EtreCheck?

I've just noticed a pattern recently - a pattern of about 4 different people, so not too much. But the pattern was the same, poor runtime, poor user experience, no real explanation or commonality other than a ginormous number of audio plugins.


When EtreCheck is collecting all the information to include in the report and display, it has to do work. All work has a cost. My concern is that a large number of plugs could take EtreCheck itself longer to run just because it is collecting all of them to report. That definitely happens. I just don't know how much of your overall, relatively long runtime is the result of EtreCheck doing more work, or the operating system being somehow more heavily loaded.


As the macOS operating system develops and changes over time, sometimes I need to make changes in EtreCheck to adjust. I think this is one of those cases. In the past, people asked for audio plug-ins and thought they were important, so I added them. But they definitely clutter up the report and they may contribute to an inaccurate result. But since you are definitely reporting problems otherwise, maybe not? It's really tricky.

Jan 31, 2024 12:37 PM in response to leroydouglas

leroydouglas wrote:

You have a ton and half of audio plug-ins installed...(?) if all of these are not necessary for Logic Pro, i would whittle that down to the ones you use.


I would suggest while you are not traveling uninstall the NordVPN and compare your results.


Hi, thanks for the response. As a music producer who works with different projects and artists, a lot of these are necessary for compatibility. It's true that I can reduce a chunk of them, but overall, there'd still be a lot of plugins that would be kept on the system. Do you consider them a culprit for the system being slow, or just something that is unusually large?


As I am currently travelling, I will have to use NordVPN, but will be able to test deleting it in the future.

In the meantime, I will see to where this "Anonymous VPN" file is sitting on my system, because I haven't used it at all, or perhaps it was used over 10 years ago.

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