Telemarketers skip ringtone and go direct to voicemail

I have gone to Settings/Sounds & Haptics. Made sure there is a sound assigned to Ringtone. And gone to Settings/Accessibility/Touch/Call Audio Routing and made sure Auto-Answer Calls is off.


Other calls in my contacts or not in my contacts do not go straight to voice mail. The phone rings and I have time to answer it.


What is the trick they are using to go direct to voicemail so I can use it too?


More important How do I set my phone to drop calls that execute that feature or hack?


The prank calls attempting to sell me solar, convince me I have back taxes or can get a huge refund for something still call and skip straight into voice mail.


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Posted on Mar 27, 2024 3:24 PM

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Mar 27, 2024 4:13 PM in response to tjpsnj

The calls and voicemails are both handled by your cellular provider. When blocking a call on your phone, all it does it prevent it from ringing when the caller id number is detected, but cannot stop a voicemail from being left. I understand that is not the issue you are having, but it does show the limits any phone has over the calls that come in from the cellular provider. Voicemails are not actually being recorded on your phone when they come in, they are actually being recorded by your cell provider and your phone just communicates with them to download the visual voicemails to your phone.


You are only going to be able to resolve this with your cell provider if they are able to help at all. The same thing happens to me on my home phone using the Xfinity service, and my home phone is one that plugs into the wall without any cellular connection. The phone is not the problem.

Mar 27, 2024 5:24 PM in response to tjpsnj

I do understand what you are saying. My point is that it is the tactics of the Robocalls/Scammers that are causing this, not your iPhone. It does occur on Android phones and even any other brand of VOIP phone. There are many articles on this topic with legislation stuck in Congress to prevent them. The Scammers claim that since the phone does not ring, that "Do Not Call List" should not apply to them. Here are just 2 articles, but there are many more. Some solutions include complaining to the FCC are letting congress know how you feel. Unfortunately there is a lot of money behind the scammers the lobby congress in ways that is not helpful to us consumers.


To the point that Verizon told you to call Apple, that does not surprise me. It would be incorrect to infer anything from that standard answer when they cannot resolve a problem, even though they know exactly what is going on.

Mar 27, 2024 7:06 PM in response to tjpsnj

Well then I guess I don't understand what you are asking and maybe someone else can help. I'm going on what you have stated:

  • "Telemarketers skip ringtone and go direct to voicemail"
  • "The question not answered is how the caller or computer is not allowing the phone to ring the standard 20 seconds"
  • "These nusaince callers are jumping to voice mail with no rings or max 1.5 seconds"


These were directly responded to in the articles I provided with these quotes:

  • "The new technique of companies sending robocalls directly to voicemail, without having the phone ring"
  • "Mobarak said calls that go straight to voicemail should be treated the same as any other robocall"
  • "No, Your Phone Didn’t Ring. So Why Voice Mail From a Telemarketer?"
  • "Mr. Kemp had just experienced a technology gaining traction called ringless voice mail, the latest attempt by telemarketers and debt collectors to reach the masses."
  • “The concept of ringless voice mail was to develop a nonnuisance form of messaging or a nonintrusive alternative to robocalls,”

Mar 28, 2024 8:50 AM in response to tjpsnj

Several additional points come to mind after going through the above:

  • In the sixteen+ years I’ve been an iPhone user, the behavior you mentioned of a spam caller quickly going to voicemail after at most a brief ring has never happened to me. Not one time.
  • It has also never happened to any of my friends, relatives or acquaintances that they have mentioned.
  • I have a decades old (pre-VoIP) landline. That line gets 8-10 spam calls per day. After four rings, that line goes to voicemail. Spam callers always hang up without leaving voicemail while the greeting is playing.
  • The one unusual thing you mentioned was forwarding your VoIP phone to your iPhone. I realize you said the calls that go to voicemail don’t originate there, but I would still recommend suspending that for a while to see if results change.
  • If there are other similar unusual things you do, consider suspending them as well.

Mar 28, 2024 12:48 PM in response to tjpsnj

tjpsnj wrote:
iPhone is no longer a secure device.

It does appear you have now read the articles that I posted explaining the process of ringless voice mails and have a much better understanding on who is doing it , why they do it, and their efforts to keep doing it. I totally agree with you that they should be stopped and I have received them as well.


If what you got out of the information that the "iPhone is no longer a secure device", you seem to be making a huge leap and focusing your frustration in the wrong place. No where in those articles does it say it is a problem with the iPhone. Voicemail has always been a carrier service and your phone is not an answering machine. All of the voice mails are on your providers servers and your iPhone simply downloads them when the carrier tells your phone that there is one available. It is the same as the carrier telling your phone to ring when a call comes in. It is this infrastructure that is being exploited by the scammers and the results will be the same for any device, no matter who the manufacturer is. It would be more appropriate to claim that our cellular infrastructure is not secure and with that I would agree. Making it secure is possible as detailed in the already posted articles.


You may remember the days when you had to dial a number to receive your voicemails from the carrier. The process is still the same, but the iPhone automated it further by using Visual Voicemail to see the voicemails that your provider has on their servers without needing to call in. This sometimes leads people to believe that their phone is an answering machine, but that was the beauty of this seamless feature when it was launched.

Mar 27, 2024 3:55 PM in response to sberman

No that is not it. The phone rings a half ring, about 2 seconds max. Then moments later I get a notification I have a voice mail. I doubt very seriously it is the carrier, in this case verizon. Verizon will sell yu a service to combat the false telemarketing calls. That only indicates to me they are in on the scam. Other friends with AT&T and T-Mobile complain of the same issue. It is the phone. Or phones in these cases. 13ProMax, 14 ProMax and 15 ProMax. All well over 1000 dollar phones with no ability to set them to protect.


How do you disable the feature they are exploiting? In the past I did not care one bit as the voicemail box was full and I could not get voicemails! Disabling voice mail is not a good option. Old school callers like the mom or girlfriend who uses it to rant get upset if they cannot talk to dead air.


Where is the setting or how do we contact Apple and have them figure out which feature is being exploited and create a switch to end it once and for all.

Mar 27, 2024 5:07 PM in response to Mac Jim ID

You do not understand the issue.

The phone rings 20 seconds before going to voicemail. Normal operation.

These nusaince callers are jumping to voice mail with no rings or max 1.5 seconds.

This problem does not seem to occur on android devices from any carrier.

After about 30 minutes on hold Verizon told me to contact Apple. This seems to be as close as I can get to apple.

My home [IP] phone rings once and transfers to my cell number. So far none of the skip to voicemail calls have come via the IP number. The transferred calls are all in the log at the provider.

Please assist in resolving this issue. If need be have Apple and Verizon actually work together?

How do you have Apple work with the carriers? I can barely get through to Verizon let alone a provider I do not have a bill with. If this were Verizon/ATT/Tmobile and othr carrier issue they could prevent all the nonsense telemarketer calls. Ath the very least all of the robotic ones. The one's that skip ring and go direct to voice mail are also robots as the message is a recording played into the voicemail. Nusiance calls that ring sound like they are from some other country as you can hear all the other marketers in the background with the same foreign accent as your caller. Never was Microsoft calling to fix windows. I hope there are very few that are that naive.


Mar 27, 2024 6:36 PM in response to Mac Jim ID

No, you do not.

You are still working on the premise that they caller / robo-caller is leaving a voicemail. Who cares?


The question not answered is how the caller or computer is not allowing the phone to ring the standard 20 seconds. It is automated. IoS can understand it. If it were Verizon ATT and other carriers that control this at their whim IoS is able to accommodate it. Denying Apple can control their device is saying they cannot secure it.


Maybe congress is the problem?

Congress is not spending the billions needed to modernize the POTTS system that VOIP is bolted onto. They are too busy funding the war in Ukraine and funneling funds to friends under the guise of climate this and that.


Mar 28, 2024 10:09 AM in response to sberman

You are lucky it has not happened. As the other writer said it is a tool "they" have. He also claims that the phone company nor the phone can prevent it. iPhone is no longer a secure device. Via a simple phone call commands can be applied to skip the ring and go direct to voice mail.


I am surprised no one ever had this happen. They are discussing it in congress, but not the board rooms where they can do something about it.


My VOIP line only gets spam calls from solar panel racketeers and some kind of electric bill scam from the state where the area code is from. Oh and someone who had my number before has ongoing bad debts. The number is sold to collection agencies about twice a year. Those I can actually get back to. Tried many ways to convince them not to call.


When a computer calls and skips the ring it does not care if there is a greeting or not. It waits and sends its recording when it senses the tone.

Why would I stop using my land line? We already proved the cell number is not secure. One does need a phone on file for finance.

What would you consider "unusual"? It is a fancy phone but is really just phone and text to me. I will use a web page on it from time to time. The iPhone is not secure so very few apps are on it. The only safe way is to not associate your identity with a phone number.

I assume you also do not know anyone who had their bank accounts hacked. The common thread less lifelock being a list of all accounts passwords and identity for a hacker to have a field day is connecting you identity to your phone number and having your phone number owned by a hacker.

Be safe!

Mar 28, 2024 1:15 PM in response to Mac Jim ID

If a computer can dial your number and skip straight to voicemail it is send a code to your phone to accomplish that.

The phone is not a secure device. The only thing less secure than a cell phone is a handwritten paper check.

If you believe your identity is safe with or from all the apps you have it associated with on your phone, you are sadly mistaken. That is what they are phishing for.

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