Macbook Pro 16" 2019 stopped turning on one day, SMC reset doesn't help

In June this year I bought a reconditioned MacBook Pro 16" 2019 (A2141, 32Gb, 1TB). The device was purchased in excellent A-grade condition and has been carefully used since then.


A few days ago it failed to turn on with the usual button press.


There had not been any problems to suggest anything was wrong, previously. The device simply stopped powering on from one day to the next. Nothing on screen, no sign of life whatsoever.


Some weeks previously I had encountered a similar fault, and I had to go through the SMC reset steps a few times, after which the MacBook powered on again. (I assumed this was something to do with dual-booting the MacBook with Windows using Bootcamp.)

But despite repeated SMC reset attempts now (left-Ctrl, left-Opt, right-Shift for 7 seconds, then with power button for another 7 seconds), the MacBook is unresponsive.


I have tested the power adapter with other devices, and it is functioning correctly.


I noted that some people were commenting on the "flakey" nature of USB-C Macbooks, in posts such as this:

logicboard or battery - Apple Community


My question is: is there anything I can do to "force" the MacBook to power on?


I live in a very rural area, and it would be very costly and time-consuming to courier the device to a service center.

I have already lost some days' work from the SSD being inaccessible.

From one day to the next I had a working premium Macbook and then it became a paperweight. I have a suspicion that I will be told by the service center that the logic board needs replacing outright, which will probably be several hundred dollars in parts and labor.


Do you think my suspicion is likely correct?

Posted on Oct 21, 2024 7:43 AM

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Oct 22, 2024 8:07 AM in response to danryu

danryu wrote:

However, I see that "failing to power on" is not in the list of symptoms that this is supposed to address. But maybe it is still worth attempting, once I can secure another Mac to do so.

How do you know for sure the laptop is not powering on? There are very few indicators to know this on these USB-C Macs. Even when I open up these laptops I cannot always tell if the laptop is powered on or not. I'm considering the possibility that the laptop may be powering on, but has no video, or has an issue with the T2 security chip which controls a lot of this laptop's activities.


Question: when you wrote "the tiniest little things" what kind of thing are you referring to?

It can be noticing a slight flicker, or noticing a very slight faint sound, or perhaps the absence of something. It is just something techs develop with years of experience troubleshooting systems including intuition. If you happen to use Apple Configurator to perform the DFU firmware Revive, then you may be able to see the laptop changing states since Apple Configurator does sometimes inform the user, but it is just very basic information.



I've already experienced the required repetition issue you described. I feel like if you could convey a bit of your insight, I might just crack this :)

Even with my experience with these T2 Macs which I support for my organization, I cannot always be sure what is or is not happening with these laptops. At some point I just have to give up after multiple attempts. It is extremely frustrating. When we've replaced the Logic Boards on some of these laptops, the laptops work again, but there is no way to be sure until a known good Logic Board is used to test the laptop. Now that I've seen so many Logic Boards fail (or suspect they have failed due to inspecting Kernel Panic logs) I no longer recommend repairing them due to the exorbitant costs knowing the replacement board will have the same potential issues. This forum has many recent posts of people having their MBPro 16" (2019) Logic Boards replaced.....even the replacement Logic Boards have failed within days of receiving the repaired laptop back.


Having an experienced tech examine the laptop and trying these steps is the best option to confirm the diagnosis since an experienced tech is more familiar with performing these tasks. I still have problems getting some of these Macs into DFU mode.


I would be pleasantly surprised if you are able to revive this laptop without a hardware repair.



Oct 21, 2024 7:15 PM in response to danryu

It is extremely hard to troubleshoot these USB-C Macs because they provide no feedback to what is occurring (no LEDs, many times no startup chime, no sounds to know it powered on, even the fans don't always spin even momentarily). Even a working USB-C can get into a state where it is hard to power it on especially after an SMC Reset. It is nearly impossible to provide remote assistance for this particular issue because it requires being able to notice the tiniest little things, plus sometimes you need to repeat the processes multiple times where you may get lucky to have the system react.


You can try a DFU firmware Revive to see if that makes any difference. In my experience it rarely does anything for the Intel Macs, but it does not hurt to try.


I really hope you have a good backup since it may be impossible to access the data on the internal SSD now.


Oct 21, 2024 9:32 AM in response to danryu

Talk to the vendor and see if they can be accommodating is some way. For example, maybe they would try to exchange or fix it for a modest a fee. If their modest warranty has expired, they don't "owe you". Remember to be polite and professional, because then you might be salvageable as a happy repeat customer.


Users who scream and threaten to sue everybody will never be a happy customer, so they get no accommodations and get shown the door.

Oct 21, 2024 9:07 AM in response to The_Knowledge_Seeker

There was a 90-day warranty on the reconditioned device, but that has now passed as I purchased 5 months ago.


If it is a logic board failure, how can it be that it simply fails one day without warning? I don't recall ever seeing such "binary" failure on a Windows device.

And I imagine the entire board with soldered RAM and SSD has to be replaced outright, probably at close to the price that I purchased it for. Which effectively will mean that I can't justify the "repair".


I'm really shocked at how "flakey" this hardware has proved to be, and how much money I've wasted in order to find this out for myself.


Note:

I bought this Apple hardware for the first time in a long time, because I wanted to have a reliable, durable machine. As a software engineer I develop for macOS and Windows and have to go to great lengths to support older macOS versions as it appears that many Apple users are still using 10+ year-old hardware in original configuration.



Oct 22, 2024 6:43 AM in response to HWTech

Thanks for this, and the link to the DFU firmware revive procedure. It's good to know there is at least something I can attempt, and my model does have the T2 security chip as referenced.

However, I see that "failing to power on" is not in the list of symptoms that this is supposed to address. But maybe it is still worth attempting, once I can secure another Mac to do so.


Question: when you wrote "the tiniest little things" what kind of thing are you referring to? I've already experienced the required repetition issue you described. I feel like if you could convey a bit of your insight, I might just crack this :)

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