Just updated to Ventura 13.7.4 & lots of bugs...

When I saw the notification that an update was available, and so soon after another recent update, I assumed (wrongly) that it would address some of the quirky issues I was having. However, once installed, it feels like I'm operating underwater. My mouse sometimes just floats, some links require multiple clicks, windows are slow in opening, and sometimes, if my mouse touched the bottom of a window, it will suddenly jump to a different site! And not one that I've had opened very recently, which makes no sense whatsoever!


Is the right way to approach even minor updates to the OS, to wait a while, in case it may end up making functioning even worse than it already is? And I'm using the most current Safari, but it's also working buggily on my documents as well. And I'm not doing anything memory intensive, and just watching one site streaming the news. So everything should be cool, as I have plenty of memory, and a high speed WiFi connection.

iMac 27″ 5K, macOS 13.7

Posted on Feb 17, 2025 3:57 PM

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Feb 24, 2025 7:03 PM in response to Saxman

Saxman wrote:

Well, at one point I did get rid of all third party "junk" I had on my iMac, yet didn't find the OS working any better than before, and reinstalled this one app, just to enable it to function better. However, after a lengthy session on the phone with support, and letting them see all the buggy behaviors (that even they couldn't explain), it was suggested I reinstall my OS, which I will do, clearing everything, and starting fresh with a fresh OS.

Uninstalling the junk may not actually fix anything if the junk made any system modifications. Some people get lucky and uninstalling the junk software will fix their problems, but for others people must start over from scratch.


When you performed a clean install of macOS, did you first erase the disk followed by reinstalling macOS? Then, did you test Safari with those websites before installing any third party software and before restoring from a backup? If not, then you most likely brought the problem back onto the clean install.


FYI, after performing a clean install and you want to get rid of junk, then when you restore from your backup.....make sure to only transfer your home user folder and making sure to deselect Settings (both system & local account) and Applications. Even this may still bring back something unexpected, but it may be a good compromise so you don't have to manually restore just your data files.


Of course I'm also assuming you don't have any odd or complex network configurations that may be interfering. I don't recall when Apple introduced some of the newer privacy & security features into macOS regarding hiding one's IP address, etc., but those have been known to cause problems. Plus browser extensions & plugins are another source of browser issues.


I agree with @dialabrain, third party software is most likely to be the cause of the problem. Many people discover the problem when they upgrade their OS. I have not had any issues with Ventura, nor has my organization...even with the more troubling macOS upgrades of Sonoma & Sequoia. macOS needs no anti-virus software, cleaning/optimizer apps, or third party security software. These types of apps usually cause more problems than they solve because they interfere with the normal operation of the OS at a low level, plus they all weaken the security of macOS to a greater or lesser extent. I think everyone should read the following article as it will keep their devices running smoothly while also protecting their devices & themselves:

Effective defenses against malware and other threats - Apple Community


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Feb 23, 2025 9:48 PM in response to Saxman

Good grief, this is Apple's flagship, "seamlessly integrated" browser, yet if so, why are there so many websites that don't work, when using it? So incredibly frustrating, trying to use various sites, I've used many times in the past, either with other browsers, or even earlier versions of Safari, so why does the newest, latest & greatest version not work with so many sites?

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Feb 24, 2025 9:47 AM in response to dialabrain

Mine is also a 2017 iMac, same versions of OS & Safari, as for sites that don't work, I can't remember all of them, but for sure Facebook, which hasn't played well Safari for years. With this new Safari version, some of the bugs are gone, but things like missing scrolling bars, pages jumping around with every mouse click, the mouse pointer opening links above or below the ones I'm actually clicking on, etc. And the 32 Degrees website will not open any window that shows anything more than the headers, no products, so I'm unable to see & buy anything.


And I know there's been more, but since I haven't kept a running count, I can't recall which ones. But the fact that more sites don't work well with Safari, than do with the several other browsers I use, is distressing. This is supposed to "seamlessly integrate" being an Apple product, on an Apple device, etc. Why should third party browsers work more effectively, than Apple's own?


One other aspect is in clearing Cache. I'll click on the "Empty Caches" item on the Develop dropdown menu, and with Activity Monitor showing 14.60 GB of Cache, it will remove a whole .02GB, making it now 14.58GB.

Then, when I open a third party utility, Memory Clean 3, it was able to clear about 10GB of Cache, taking it down to 4.96GB! Yet all the "experts" on this site will constantly tell me (& not always politely) to delete it, that it's unneeded, and will only slow my machine down. The reality is that when my iMac slows way down to barely functioning, it's only by freeing memory via that app, that allows me to continue, without having to restart Safari or my iMac. It will usually free up 10 to 13GB of RAM, as well as a good deal of the Cache, so I can get back to work.

Why do they keep demonizing all third party helpers, if Apple's own OS fails to keep our devices working well?

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Feb 24, 2025 9:59 AM in response to Saxman

Saxman wrote:

Why do they keep demonizing all third party helpers, if Apple's own OS fails to keep our devices working well?

If I was a betting man I would bet the reason your Macs don't work well is because the third-party junk you install. So you need one piece of junk to fix the problems caused by the others. Fortunately, our Macs work well because we don't install junk.

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Feb 24, 2025 10:20 AM in response to dialabrain

Well, at one point I did get rid of all third party "junk" I had on my iMac, yet didn't find the OS working any better than before, and reinstalled this one app, just to enable it to function better. However, after a lengthy session on the phone with support, and letting them see all the buggy behaviors (that even they couldn't explain), it was suggested I reinstall my OS, which I will do, clearing everything, and starting fresh with a fresh OS.


However, another person's recent post noted being unable to complete their reinstall, which happens to be with the very same model & year iMac as mine. So I'm going to wait to see if he's finally able to complete the procedure.

He's already been told to create a separate boot drive to do the install, something he shouldn't have to do, since Apple makes it clear it should be a simple process without doing anything extra. I hope they're not playing games with those with older devices wishing to do re-installs, like they have with older Macbooks attempting to re-install High Sierra.

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Mar 4, 2025 3:26 AM in response to Saxman

+1 - updated from 13.7.2 to 13.7.4 and audio processing for certain VST3 plugins got broken (known as the double sample rate bug, this happened before with macos updates).


I can't see why a security update should affect audio processing on my professionally used mac. It just makes no sense at all.


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