Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

Hi Ozonekill,

You will want to upgrade to at least 10.5.8 for the iPod touch. Since you are on a MacBook Pro you may want to go ahead and upgrade to Snow Leopard.

See iPod Touch Technical Specifications.
System requirements
USB 2.0
iTunes 10 or later
Mac: Mac OS X v10.5.8 or later

ivan

There is currently only one version(10.0) of iTunes available for download(update/web)

This is incorrect.
Even on the main iTunes page, there is a link for G3 (version 8.2.1) users.
And here is a bunch of previous versions -> http://support.apple.com/downloads/#itunes

there which does not support Mac OS X, 10.4.11

My response was to PBDW who was saying that his (8 year old computer with "few years old OS") cannot run a "music player / song organization tool".
This is not correct.

Can I suggest you that selling 10.5 at the same price of 10.6 at least in bundle with an ipad could be a good idea (imho).

You can suggest whatever you want.
-> http://www.apple.com/feedback/

I have a PowerBook G4 with OS 10.4.11 and just the 512 MB/1GHz Memory/Processor combo. I'm pretty sure my machine can't take the next upgrade Leopard

Yes it can. You would need to have at least 1GB of RAM, preferably 2GB.

My iPod Touch says it just needs a 9.2 version and I wonder if I can get it somehow?

Yes. 9.2.1 was the last version prior to 10.
-> http://support.apple.com/downloads/#itunes

Ashley Korth wrote:
Comment to those that suggest I am running an outdated OS on 'legacy hardware':
I like Apple design, both aesthetically & from a useability/virus free technical point. HOWEVER:
paying £1,000 plus for a machine that will basically be obsolete within 4 years is not good enough.

Perhaps you are unaware of how Microsoft ALSO transitioned from 32-bit to 64-bit-based OSes during the past 4 years? Maybe you don't know that OS X 10.4.11 to OS X 10.6 occurred for similar reasons that Microsoft was essentially forced to move from XP (to the widely-rejected Vista) to Windows 7?

Here's Apple's explanation of the change:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/

Don't believe Apple? Fine, here's the same shift as seen from the PC side:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/tech-manager/?p=511



So If you're looking for someone to blame for your machine becoming "legacy", heck, blame Intel: after all, they're the ones who keep making faster, more powerful processors which essentially force ALL users to transition to OSes to exploit the more powerful chips.

Of course, that "force" term is a bit strong: users ALWAYS have the option to NOT update OSes, software programs, etc. if the burden on their machine exceeds it's capability to develop a satisfying experience.

As great as it was, I abandoned the original MM CD for a unit that was more capable, just as I retired my 1.5Ghz PPC MBP for a 2.5GHz C2D, knowing the Intel transition was coming and inevitable for OS X. (The former MBP is currently running iTunes 9.2.1 under 10.4.11, and getting good use even still, serving 3 teens who don't own the latest iPods or iPhone 4's, but older iPod Shuffles, etc...)

Technology stands still for no one: as long as there's consumers willing to pay for the latest-greatest faster computer, the situation WON'T change. Irony being, most consumers don't even push the processing demands of their OLD computer, using it for surfing, e-mailing, etc. It's like buying a Lamborghini to drive to the grocery store once a week, but I digress....

I like Apple design, both aesthetically & from a useability/virus free technical point.

PS please don't support the virus-free myth: Apple users are NOT immune from exploits, so perpetuating that myth is irresponsible.

And does Ironic Guy here need to point out that one way to address security vulnerabilities and exploits is to stay updated with the latest patches for the OS (and software that runs on it)? That might be a tad difficult for the user to do, if you're sitting here fighting updates to the OS....

hiro uk wrote:
I'm also suffering from Apple's decision with my iPhone and Core 2 Macbook Pro.

No, you're suffering from YOUR decision not to run the latest available software, which your machine CAN run..... That's YOUR choice.

I just wanted to fix the alarm bug on my iPhone by upgrading iOS from 4.1 to 4.2. For this, I need to upgrade my iTune on my Macbook Pro, which I thought was fine. Then, I was utterly shocked to find out I cannot do so only because my Core 2 Macbook Pro runs Tiger. Unbelievable.

You're STILL on Tiger, using a machine which can run the latest OS, Snow Leopard (X.10.6.5)? THAT'S unbelievable.

You mIght want to review the performance and feature benefits that await you from migrating to Tiger to Snow Leopard. Otherwise, you're running a handicapped bloated machine. I appreciated the speed and extra space on the hard drive, etc.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

If economic barriers are the issue, realize SL upgrade is offered for a low price ($29). Contrast that with the cost of upgrading from XP to Windows 7.

You may be able to upgrade directly to SL from Tiger, BTW. Read the article and comments here:

http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090826/apple-changes-leopards-spots/

Even so, I tried to buy Snow Leopard at the Apple online store. Then, they say I should buy the "Snow Leopard box set", which is already discontinued!

Snow Leopard is not discontinued:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MACOS_XSNGL


If you don't want to buy it directly from Apple, check 3rd-party resellers, eBay, etc. You can find it cheaper than $29, if you're pinching pennies.

Now I am stuck with my iPhone with the alarm bug and Core 2 Macbook Pro. End of Apple life with decent hardware.

Sorry, but your MBP and iPhone hasn't reached "end of life": that's just nonsense. Just because you choose not to check for (and make) available updates doesn't mean Apple doesn't offer them!

If you really think your MBP and iPhone are so "end of life", then go ahead and send them to me, and I'll be sure to put the old items out of their misery and suffering, seeing they are recycled/re-used responsibly in accord with sound environmental practices, all at no charge (just as long as you pay shipping).

Yeah, I didn't think you believed what you wrote. 🙂

Feefer wrote:

No, you're suffering from YOUR decision not to run the latest available software, which your machine CAN run..... That's YOUR choice.

Yeah, I didn't think you believed what you wrote. 🙂

I guess I wasn't clear in my previous post.

I tried to buy the Snow Leopard disk from apple UK online store but, I was unable to buy an upgrade package from Tiger to Snow Leopard.

First, it was easy to find Snow Loepard disk, but this page says "Snow Leopard is an upgrade for Leopard users". Moreover, the boxed paragraph just below says "Upgrade your Mac experience. With Snow Leopard, iLife '09, and iWork '09 all in one box, the Mac Box Set is the best way to upgrade your Mac experience, especially if you're still using Mac OS X Tiger."

So, I tried to take Apple's apparent recommendation. When I clicked the link, I found the box set is not available.

I've just revisited the page and realized that the linked box set was indeed discontinued. However, the reason for this was a newer box set with iLife 11 has already been released. So, this part of the story was just a misleading web page by apple.

This doesn't mean I am happy with apple's decision, though.

hiro uk wrote:

Feefer wrote:

No, you're suffering from YOUR decision not to run the latest available software, which your machine CAN run..... That's YOUR choice.

Yeah, I didn't think you believed what you wrote. 🙂

I guess I wasn't clear in my previous post.

I tried to buy the Snow Leopard disk from apple UK online store but, I was unable to buy an upgrade package from Tiger to Snow Leopard.

First, it was easy to find Snow Loepard disk, but this page says "Snow Leopard is an upgrade for Leopard users". Moreover, the boxed paragraph just below says "Upgrade your Mac experience. With Snow Leopard, iLife '09, and iWork '09 all in one box, the Mac Box Set is the best way to upgrade your Mac experience, especially if you're still using Mac OS X Tiger."

So, I tried to take Apple's apparent recommendation. When I clicked the link, I found the box set is not available.

I've just revisited the page and realized that the linked box set was indeed discontinued. However, the reason for this was a newer box set with iLife 11 has already been released. So, this part of the story was just a misleading web page by apple.

This doesn't mean I am happy with apple's decision, though.

I don't know if you even read what I wrote.

Maybe I wasn't clear? What I meant was, you can use this disc:
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC573Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

Go to hear:
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

Although the UK store says that the disc is an upgrade for Leopard, it:
a) doesn't say it's not an upgrade for Tiger,
b) it doesn't say that the Mac Box Set is the only way to get from Tiger to Snow Leopard. It just hints that.

According to the PDF:

"A. Single Use License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.
B. Family Pack License. If you have purchased a Family Pack license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non- exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-branded computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By "household" we mean a person or persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium, but shall also extend to student members who are primary residents of that household but residing at a separate on-campus location. The Family Pack License does not extend to business or commercial users.
C. Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. If you have purchased a Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-branded computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household (as defined above), are used by persons who occupy that same household, and each such computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. The Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard License does not extend to business or commercial users."

The Upgrade disc actually says Upgrade on it, and you can not purchase it from the online store. The disc mentioned in the store is the Single User disc. There is also the Family Pack version. The single user disc just says "Mac OS X Snow Leopard Instal DVD". The upgrade disc says "Mac OS X Snow Leopard Upgrade DVD".

Also, an upgrade straight from Tiger to Snow Leopard is as simple as it was from Tiger to Leopard, if not simpler.

Hope this helps, AnonMac.


PS. Look at this.

Message was edited by: AnonMac

Dunno74 wrote:
How exactly are you helping users that use iTunes on Mac OS X, 10.4.11?

He isn't.

For anyone that's on Tiger and took the update and needs to get back to iTunes 9.2.1 go here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1056

Regards,

Garth, your old hardware still has an amazing amount of life in it. NEVER say scrap-heap for old kit - it can end up that single use, dedicated machine which outlasts everything else.

I have a system in my living room that started out as a VERY upgraded beige G3 ( http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1966095&tstart=90) that finally saw it's power supply toast the logic board this past summer. Boooo!

Am now running a 700mhz Digital Audio G4 (that was someone else's throwaway) as the main network hub computer with Tiger installed.

It's main purpose is being attached to the stereo and used to rip LP's. I have not noticed a bit of problem with iTunes as of late, though it only has 9.2.1, so maybe its the 'social networking' stuff that's the problem? Not having any of that enabled in the preferences, and keeping the interface as minimalist as possible seems to be the ticket. Basically, keep iTunes as much as you can to it's SoundJam roots. No music store, no shared network libraries, no videos.. just my Library of ripped vinyl and CD's and the radio and it's rock solid. Part of the instability you're experiencing may very well be that gaping internet portal in the program that seems to get larger with every release. Between that, and the iPods and the iPhone now being all portable computers in themselves, I can see how it could get unstable. What Apple has done with that program, while great, does have some foofery I could live without.. Cover Flow? GuH! IF there was a way for me to have it NOT try to index the album art - of which there is none, when I rebuild the library.. I'd love to know it! You don't know how s-l-o-w a library can build, if you've 10 years worth of music and an old computer.

Do absolutely agree in sticking with Tiger for the music server - I could do the firmware work-around to put in Leopard, but on hardware that old, it makes no sense to. I think at this point in time, with the Intel switch happening.. what.. four/five years ago, it's a given that the company isn't going to stick to offering support for Tiger. The people getting it on the chin in this whole fiasco, are the ones with the PPC Macs and can't go beyond 10.5. It's Snow Leopard that is 30 bucks. Leopard is still over $100. Ermmm.

Regards,

This is a very common problem. The thing to remember is if you have a 10.6 compatible Mac, you do NOT need to purchase 10.5. If you don't have a 10.6 compatible Mac, you can buy 10.5 from Apple Retail. 10.6 compatible Macs are listed here:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2126451

And 10.6 is only $29.95 for people who have 10.5 or 10.4 and are compatible.
Mind you, you may need to upgrade the RAM to 1 GB, or increase your hard disk space to 9GB + 15% (an arbitrary amount free that works best).

For 10.5, you need 15 GB + 15% (an arbitrary amount), and 512MB of RAM or more. 10.5 is available for around $129.95 if you buy from the Apple Store phone sales (not available on the website).

Alternatively, if your Mac is compatible with neither, or you can't get it from Apple Store Phone sales, 10.5 is available from numerous used and refurbished Mac shops*:

http://www.macmaps.com/usedrefurbished.html

Note: 10.5 is not easy to upgrade to if you have 800 Mhz or less on your Mac. 1 Ghz is more.
10.5 does not offer Classic compatibility, though some Macs can boot into 9 and 10.5:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2176255&tstart=10
PowerPC Macs also do not get Boot Camp compatibility either!

Make sure though your 10.5 installer disc looks like * and does not say DropIn, OEM, or Upgrade.

Before upgrading, make sure your data is backed up at least twice*:

http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html

and the backup is not connected to the machine during the upgrade.

You do not need to erase your system, as long as it is healthy, and not portraying any software issues. If there are software issues, be sure to ask what software issues need to be fixed here:

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=758

and posting a new topic there.

Once your system is ready, then make sure your software and hardware is compatible with the operating system you are going to:
For 10.5 Intel Macs (same as Snow Leopard compatible Macs, except you can't afford 10.6 compatible software):

http://tinyurl.com/cnet105Intel
http://tinyurl.com/cnet105PPC
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1370

For 10.6:
http://tinyurl.com/cnetsnow
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
http://www.macintouch.com/specialreports/snowleopard/slcompat.html

And remember what I said about backing up.

- * Links to my pages may give me compensation.

Message was edited by: a brody

(I can add more RAM but the processor won't handle the upgrade to Leopard.

Yes it will.
-> Mac OS 10.5 info
"General requirements
Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
512MB of memory
DVD drive for installation
9GB of available disk space"

PLEASE SORT THIS OUT APPLE

This is a user to user forum so you're not really addressing Apple here.

You can send your Feedback to Apple here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

Matt

Hello StiffMittens,

sorry to hear about your iTunes troubles.

+"However, it does xxxx enormously that those who have chosen to remain with the hardware that they have found to be still useful and reliable are now cut off from the iTunes store. That's not good for Apple either. I would be making a purchase right now if I could (the reason I found this thread is because I was trying to access the iTunes store and found that I couldn't from my current config and that also I cannot upgrade my version of iTunes to allow me to access the store, so I googled for a solution)."+

Were you using iTunes v9.2.1? I downloaded a song the day before yesterday
using Tiger and iTunes 9.2.1. Here is the link in case you need it:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1056

If that doesn't help you may want to start a new topic at the Tiger v10.4
forum. That way more people will see your question and they may be
able to help you get reconnected to the iTunes store.

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=758

Happy Computing,

A

I stand (slightly) corrected. The iTunes store is still supporting my config. However, iTunes 8.2.1 reports on launch that there is a new version (!0.!.2) available. If you use Software Update to check for updates, it reports that there are no updates available. So if you hot to Apple.com to download the new iTunes manually you find a link to 10.1.2 (which won't install under os 10.4.11) and a link to 8.2.1 (which won't access the iTunes store). After a little more Googling, I found this link:

http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes9/061-8440.20100616.Tnzs2/iTunes9.2.dmg

on www.mydigitallife.info. Had I known specifically that this would solve my issue, I could have found it via searching apple support to get to this page:

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP573

But how hard it would it have been for Apple to include that link on the 10.1.2 download page? Indeed how hard would it be to do so now?