Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

I've been using Macs since about 1986 and as I look back over the years, I find that I've replaced them every six years or so to keep up with the latest bells and whistles.

Matt

Feefer - you mean Steve Jobs doesnt personally read every message posted on here? **** i genuinely thought he would. I'll just head to my nearest Apple Store, i'll probably find him there right?

Firstly, what myself and countless others are requesting isn't unreasonable. The fact that Apple decide to release a new OS every couple of years shouldnt mean that the rest of us have to keep up pace.

I'm not alone here. Nearly 84000 views of this topic indicates that there is a huge amount of disgruntled Mac users, but most of whom probably can't be bothered to get into debates with avid Apple superfans.

jamesm82 wrote:
Feefer - you mean Steve Jobs doesnt personally read every message posted on here? **** i genuinely thought he would. I'll just head to my nearest Apple Store, i'll probably find him there right?

Actually, Jobs IS known to personally answer what must be a miniscule % of e-mails sent from customers to his address:

sjobs@apple.com

However, with the guy being a CEO of a large international company amd all, I wouldn't hold my breath, waiting for a response.

jamesm82 wrote:
Firstly, what myself and countless others are requesting isn't unreasonable. The fact that Apple decide to release a new OS every couple of years shouldnt mean that the rest of us have to keep up pace.

You don't HAVE to keep up pace, if you don't want. I use MANY older machines running older versions of outdated OSes, but then I don't expect to mix old OSes and hardware with new, either. It's a bit unreasonable to expect a machine built in 1995 (with SCSI I/O) to support Blu-Ray or FW800 drives, or to demand either MS or Apple to update their obsolete OSes.

But aside from technical limitations (real or imagined), y'all are a little late to the whine-tasting party: the internet was buzzing over this issue 3 or 4 years ago (BEFORE it came to pass), and I was on your side then. Most of us didn't like transitioning into the unknown (who does?), but I guess the benefit of your waiting this long is the bugs have already been worked out by those of us who DID accept the transition years ago. You're welcome. 🙂

And don't get me wrong: everyone's certainly allowed to voice their outrage, but realize it's a few years too late (Apple is currently working on 10.7, and no doubt is looking beyond that). As the old saying goes, it's all over but the shouting.

Understand that directing the future of Apple's platform requires YEARS of lead-time for logistics, where the process involves complex coordination of efforts between Legal Dep't (where failing to secure licensing rights means watching profitability erode from litigation), manufacturing/assemblers (e.g. Foxconn in China), the multitude of chips and sub-contractors who supply parts delivery of parts from sub-contractors, marketing efforts, not to mention writing the OS code.

(Reportedly, the reason Apple moved to Intel was because of AMD's failure to supply processors when promised: do you have any idea how costly it is to have assembly lines sit idle for a few months, because an important component is not available on time?)

Just saying that what you think of as being "easy" isn't, just because you think it must be.... Apple has to answer to shareholders to maintain profitability, and if Jobs doesn't, then he faces lawsuits from angry shareholders.

If Apple (or ANY company) consistently makes bad decisions, then they don't stay in business.... It's the laws if economic Darwinism, survival of the fittest at it's finest.

Had to hand my 2009 macmini intel into get fixed for second time. So using my fallback ppc G4 macmini I connect up my 5th generation iPod, it says "Software update is available for this product. Do you wish to install?" So I do. Then I find it doesn't sync with my PPC library, on mini or Powerbook, because the latest update for iPod only works with iTunes 10. And of course iTunes 10 can't work on Tiger which is on both my old computers.

Shafted. Songs imported to iPod are unplayable, classified as "Other" not "Audio". This problem would not have happened had I not updated the iPod as requested; previous system worked fine with both inTel iTunes 10 and ppc iTunes 9. Now my iPod will only work with my intel mac when I get it back from repair.

So, if you are using an ipod with Tiger and you are asked to update to version 4—don't. Your iPod will then be useless with all but intel macs, unless for your PPC's you canLeopard on eBay (current av. £70 -£90 in the UK).

Feefer wrote:

jamesm82 wrote:
Firstly, what myself and countless others are requesting isn't unreasonable. The fact that Apple decide to release a new OS every couple of years shouldnt mean that the rest of us have to keep up pace.

You don't HAVE to keep up pace, if you don't want. I use MANY older machines running older versions of outdated OSes, but then I don't expect to mix old OSes and hardware with new, either. It's a bit unreasonable to expect a machine built in 1995 (with SCSI I/O) to support Blu-Ray or FW800 drives, or to demand either MS or Apple to update their obsolete OSes.

But aside from technical limitations (real or imagined), y'all are a little late to the whine-tasting party: the internet was buzzing over this issue 3 or 4 years ago (BEFORE it came to pass), and I was on your side then. Most of us didn't like transitioning into the unknown (who does?), but I guess the benefit of your waiting this long is the bugs have already been worked out by those of us who DID accept the transition years ago. You're welcome. 🙂

And don't get me wrong: everyone's certainly allowed to voice their outrage, but realize it's a few years too late (Apple is currently working on 10.7, and no doubt is looking beyond that). As the old saying goes, it's all over but the shouting.

First, I didn't read the whole thread because it's enormous. I skipped to the end hoping to find a solution and instead found the above exchange. SO I apologize if what I'm about to say has already been gone over in this thread.

These are fair points, Feefer (for the most part). However, it does suck enormously that those who have chosen to remain with the hardware that they have found to be still useful and reliable are now cut off from the iTunes store. That's not good for Apple either. I would be making a purchase right now if I could (the reason I found this thread is because I was trying to access the iTunes store and found that I couldn't from my current config and that also I cannot upgrade my version of iTunes to allow me to access the store, so I googled for a solution).

I would be more than happy to buy all new gear and upgrade to the all the latest and greatest versions of everything, but I simply cannot afford to at this time. And I'm sure there are many others just like me. Apple is in effect saying to all of us: We don't want your money anymore unless you give us a whole bunch right now first. That's not good PR, nor is it even sensible business practice. I, like many others, have bought many things from Apple over the years, and I will continue to do so as long as Apple keeps me satisfied. But many people are feeling the money crunch right now and are unlikely to make big purchases. But they might make smaller purchases. And from a business perspective many small revenue trickles is almost as good as a few large revenue streams (perhaps even better - more fault tolerant in a way).

In a consumerist society when people are strapped for cash they hold off on major purchases, but they spend frequently on small entertainments to distract themselves from their money woes. Wouldn't Apple be wise to do everything they can to include those people in their revenue streams?

And as for being late to the whine tasting party, everything was working fine for me as recently as January 8th. And everything still works fine for me except I cannot get onto the iTunes store. And that is annoying no matter how you try to rationalize it or apologize on Apple's behalf.

Hello StiffMittens,

sorry to hear about your iTunes troubles.

+"However, it does xxxx enormously that those who have chosen to remain with the hardware that they have found to be still useful and reliable are now cut off from the iTunes store. That's not good for Apple either. I would be making a purchase right now if I could (the reason I found this thread is because I was trying to access the iTunes store and found that I couldn't from my current config and that also I cannot upgrade my version of iTunes to allow me to access the store, so I googled for a solution)."+

Were you using iTunes v9.2.1? I downloaded a song the day before yesterday
using Tiger and iTunes 9.2.1. Here is the link in case you need it:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1056

If that doesn't help you may want to start a new topic at the Tiger v10.4
forum. That way more people will see your question and they may be
able to help you get reconnected to the iTunes store.

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=758

Happy Computing,

A

I stand (slightly) corrected. The iTunes store is still supporting my config. However, iTunes 8.2.1 reports on launch that there is a new version (!0.!.2) available. If you use Software Update to check for updates, it reports that there are no updates available. So if you hot to Apple.com to download the new iTunes manually you find a link to 10.1.2 (which won't install under os 10.4.11) and a link to 8.2.1 (which won't access the iTunes store). After a little more Googling, I found this link:

http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes9/061-8440.20100616.Tnzs2/iTunes9.2.dmg

on www.mydigitallife.info. Had I known specifically that this would solve my issue, I could have found it via searching apple support to get to this page:

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP573

But how hard it would it have been for Apple to include that link on the 10.1.2 download page? Indeed how hard would it be to do so now?

Thanks Anova. I just discovered that too (see my last post). I knew I shouldn't have reacted so quickly to Feefer and just kept digging for a solution. Oh well, won't be the first time I've had egg on my face. ;-}

You are welcome. I can empathize. Hope you get
reconnected to iTunes.

Kind Regards,

A

StiffMittens wrote:
I stand (slightly) corrected. The iTunes store is still supporting my config. However, iTunes 8.2.1 reports on launch that there is a new version (!0.!.2) available. If you use Software Update to check for updates, it reports that there are no updates available. So if you hot to Apple.com to download the new iTunes manually you find a link to 10.1.2 (which won't install under os 10.4.11) and a link to 8.2.1 (which won't access the iTunes store). After a little more Googling, I found this link:

http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes9/061-8440.20100616.Tnzs2/iTunes9.2.dmg

on www.mydigitallife.info. Had I known specifically that this would solve my issue, I could have found it via searching apple support to get to this page:

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP573

But how hard it would it have been for Apple to include that link on the 10.1.2 download page? Indeed how hard would it be to do so now?

True. In fact, the lack of coordination between update servers is what brought many (incl. me) to this thread. It was a step in the right direction for software update to report no updates available, given that it won't run under older OSes. I agree Apple could improve on showing a consolidated webpage making this crystal-clear, ALA like "eat THIS, not THAT" (Apple has to do this with displaying compatible RAM for 100's of computers, so it's not like they have no experience in explaining confusing topics to non-geeky customers).

But yes, to be clear, the OP (or mod) should rename this thread as, "Tiger 10.4.11 allows no higher than iTunes 9.2.1", as that would be the proper answer.

As far as your other issues you mentioned about Apple forgetting working out bugs in the rush to seek new product sales, I agree. Preaching to the choir, my friend.

The latest example I ran into was how even the latest version of iTunes really doesn't support multiple devices running different versions of iOS using the same library.

As an example, I use an iPhone 4 running iOS 4.2.1, and also have an iPhone 2G (which was orphaned on 3.1.2). I don't disagree with why the iP2 cannot run 4.2.1 (it can barely handle 3.1.2), but the lack of support in iTunes is discouraging.

What I'm referring to is the fact that the iTunes library contains only ONE Mobile Applications folder, and older versions of iOS apps are overwritten to support the NEWEST device, even if the update cannot run on the older device that iTunes KNOWS is being synced with the same library. Unfortunately, iTunes is not sophisticated enough (by omission, accidental or otherwise) to keep the older version, whether by creating a separate folder for the older iOS device, or simply relabeling the older version (of course, this would require mobile app developers to send a flag, listing compatibility; Apple would have to fix iTunes to keep track of it all).

That example reminded me of my own advice against mixing devices from various generations on newer versions of OS X (e.g. my iP4 syncs with an Intel Mac Mini running 10.6.6. My solution is to sync the iP2 with my laptop, and avoid updates that won't run under 3.1.2. Also, keep a back-up of older versions of mobile apps, so you can always revert if you accidentally update).

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BTW, Apple released an iTunes 10.1.1 update yesterday that amongst other things, adds support for the NEW Apple TV so as to allow AirPlay; I can't disagree that Apple clearly is flush with their recent success, and understands that it's hard to keep up those numbers without generating sales of NEW devices. That's not decrying them for doing so, it's just a fact. I agree that they'll burn bridges with long-term customers by not supporting legacy products, realizing that it's a balancing act.

OK, I have read this entire thread. I want to make sure I've got it right.

My daughter has a new iPhone. She has an early MacBook (1,1) with 512 MB of memory and OS X 10.4.11. My plan is to order 2 or 3 GB of memory, and the $29 single copy of Snow Leopard, then download iTunes 10. I figure that will get her and her new phone up and running.

Is that correct? Thanks in advance for your help.

Yup, that is correct.

It would not let me install it on my Power Mac G5 (with 10.4.11), but here is what the system requirements said:
3/4/11 - iTunes version 10.2
Macintosh Software

* Mac OS X version 10.5 or later
* QuickTime 7.6 or later
* Support for HE-AAC requires QuickTime 7.6.4 or later
* Safari 4.0.3 or later
* 200MB of available disk space


So, now it says you are not able to install it on a Mac.

Received a message for iTune upgrade 10.2 but it keep giving an Error message.
"An unexpected error occurred."
Even downloaded iTune 10.2 from Apple website but it keeps giving an error.
Worse of all none of the iPhone, iPad makes an Synchronization either!

There must be a bug in iTune 10.2

Do I understand this right?

I gave my brother my Power PC laptop, Powerbook Pro, which I probably bought in 2005. It had Tiger 10.4.13 on it. I did this, because he can't afford a new laptop, like a lot of people out there.

He recently broke his phone and had to get a new one. He got an iPhone. He tells me it's 3G.

Now, in order to be able to sync this new iPhone to his laptop, he has to.. oh wait, he can't?!!
-- The phone won't work with anything lower than iTunes 10.+
-- iTunes 10.+ isn't built for Mac OS pre 10.5.
-- All Mac OS X 10.5+ installers are for non-PowerPC Macs. Intel only.
-- So, in order to be able to use the phone with iTunes on a Mac, he must buy a new laptop or desktop?

(And please, don't give me "If he can afford an iPhone..." 1. That's not true. Affording a new phone doesn't mean you have the savings for or can afford a new laptop or desktop. 2. I find the whole "this is how the world works," argument to be privileged, utterly lacking compassion, and flat-out disrespectful of people who have put out extra money all these years in large part because Apple products are reliable and have a good life-line. I don't care to argue the points behind the corporation's reasoning.)

Can someone just please tell me if what I wrote above is true? Barring the options of his using XP on a non-existent desktop or him not using the iPhone for music.