Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

Even if I wanted to update to 10.5 (which I don't), I couldn't possibly do it because Leopard isn't sold any more.

Sure it is. It is available by calling the Apple store (1-800-MY-APPLE (800-692-7753)) and asking for it. It is not available thru the online store.

Look, I know that my Mac is really old (circa 2002). That said, my OS is only a few years old and there is nothing hardware-wise that should prevent me from running a music player / song organization tool!

Clearly Apple doesn't want to support their existing customers. Maybe this is why over 90% of the world is running a Microsoft OS.

Chris CA wrote:

there is nothing hardware-wise that should prevent me from running a music player / song organization tool

You can't run any version of iTunes at all?

There is currently only one version(10.0) of iTunes available for download(update/web) which does not support Mac OS X, 10.4.11

"Sure it is. It is available by calling the Apple store (1-800-MY-APPLE (800-692-7753)) and asking for it. It is not available thru the online store."

Chris,

Firstly thank you for your comment. I really want to update my G4+G5's running 10.4.11 efficiently and without any problems to Leopard(?!?). And for only $200. If you want to provide me with some assistance, can you give me a link to download itunes 9.x.x for my old outdated operating system?

Like I said before, might as well upgrade to XP. I could probably get a pc desktop running windows for cheaper than Leopard.

J

So the iPod touch 4th gen I preordered requires iTunes 10 to update. Spending $169 to upgrade an OS in order to run free software is out of the question. Ether I switch my library to winXP or cancel my iPod touch order. I decided to switch to XP. Apple had me for 3 years, this laptop being my first mac. If their OS's have a 3 year life-cycle then I can't see myself buying another mac. I'm very disappointed.

At least with the the $169 Snow Leopard box set you not only get the latest OS, but you also get the updated iLife and iWork packages: iPhoto ’09, iMovie ’09, GarageBand ’09, iWeb ’09, iDVD, Pages ’09, Numbers ’09, and Keynote ’09. That's much more reasonable than any Windows update you could get.
And I'd much rather work on the Mac than a PC any day.

Sounds like you already have a PC though so the "switch over" wouldn't cost you anything to use iTunes on your PC. If you ever need to update your Windows however, that's something to consider.

Just my thoughts.

I'd also like to add that I cant believe Apple is no longer supporting 10.4 with its new software and updates. The fact that they still support Windows XP is a slap in the face. My next computer was probably going to be a Windows machine anyway (for other reasons), but things like this make me feel more and more vindicated in not wanting to buy a Mac again.

Is it really a slap in the face? Supporting XP is easy. XP, Vista, and 7 where all 32bit Intel based OS's.

This is literally comparing Apples to oranges? Apple did not make this decision just to spite you? They told everyone, to a lot of fanfare, that they where moving away from PPC to Intel. They even delayed and seriously bloated Leopard so that they could still support PPC and Intel.

Snow Leopard was everyone's wake up call. No more universal binary, no more Rosetta, no more bloat to support a platform they told everyone they where leaving YEARS ago.

What is the average life expectancy of a laptop, and please be honest with yourself. Three years, four years for the really nice ones?

These things are now designed to be replaced every few years. There is some argument to be made on both sides as to whether this is a good thing or not.

But lets cut the hyperbole here, supporting PPC and Tiger would be like Apple supporting Windows 95 and Windows 98 with iTunes. That is the level of architectural difference we are talking about here.

Personally I think they should have ceased support for XP, but that is just me.

It's not a conspiracy, and Apple is not singling you out.

I feel really bad for those on PPC systems who can no longer get Leopard. For those persons, I would hope a call to Apple could at least get you the option to purchase Leopard.

For those on an Intel based Mac, still running Tiger, Apple has a very easy and actually cheaper upgrade solution then Microsoft has ever done, and you get a lot more for your money.

No one likes change apparently, and they like it even less when it feels forced on them.

I have found the changes I have had to make for Apple's products to be less problematic then the ones I have to make for Windows generally.

I of course use both platforms and will continue to do so.

Too bad iTunes is a 32 bit CARBON universal application.

Also too bad these forums are moderated so that when you call apple out on it's ******** you can't speak the truth.. Can't wait to sell this mac..

After reading the other posts, all I can contribute is another "vote."

How careless of Apple to create a presumably arbitrary limitation with a free program (iTunes 10), that prevents people from buying a new iPod? Aren't the iPods/Pads/Phones what are making them so successful? At least an explanation from them is in order, if there is one, which I doubt, since we see Windows users have no lack of incentive to replace their older iPods.

keep in mind that by not supporting Tiger with iTunes 10, they are keeping people with older Macs from being able to buy the latest iPods.

Ya' ever think that they would like people to buy a new Mac with the new architecture and new OS?

I think if they discontinued/killed Tiger then XP should be dead as well. Tiger is their OWN OS. and lasted half as long as XP Also, Now I will be forced to buy a MacBook Pro (My own idea...its awesome isn't it?!) For College so that I may also Get to use my New iPod touch 4G when I buy it, as well as I can run Windows on it, iPods is what makes Apple their money. I think if they made 10 the last for tiger you can at least get iOS 4.1 and 4.1.1 etc until 4.2 OS, But since I will get the macbook won't that mean that if Snow Leopard becomes obsolete I can still update to the new OS since MacBooks are pretty stable.

This is annoying, but not necessarily the end of the world. We can live without the two or three new features of iTunes 10, and Ping looks pretty lame anyway. Besides, iTunes is becoming more and more irrelevant as Spotify gets better and better.

However, the one thing we will continue to need iTunes for is updating iPods/iPhones. I (and a helluva lotta others) will be really disgruntled if you can only get iOS 4.1 with iTunes 10, as I'm desperately waiting to be able to fix my iPhone 3G. I wouldn't be totally surprised, either, as Apple have generally only released iOS updates to the latest version of iTunes.

Those of us on Tiger are generally (or maybe always? not sure) using PPC. This means it's pretty much impossible to downgrade our iPhone 3Gs back to iOS3 - all of the hacky type tools seem to only work on Intel machines. And Apple have refused to give us an official way of downgrading.

So if I'm not going to be able to upgrade to 4.1, which apparently will fix all the 3G issues, I'll basically have a 2 year old phone that has been crippled by its manufacturer.

This stinks! I bought the new iphone 4, but I can't use it unless I update to itunes 10. I can't update to itunes 10 because I have tiger 10.4.11, so I went out and bought snow leopard. I can't install that because my imac doesn't have nearly enough ram. It really makes me mad because nobody told me when I bought the phone that I needed updates, and makes me very mad that i can't even use my new phone the way it was intended, not to mention I can't get my apps off of my computer that I already downloaded for my old iphone!! Fix it!!

Chris A I think you win the award for biggest ********* of this post. Why do you have to come here and try to justify that we need to buy new computers to use our iPhone's and Ping. All of us running 10.4.11 on our mac's have a right to be mad that we have been all but banished from the Apple update community. First it came with Safari 4 being cut from support and now iTunes?? Really?? If you check with Apple, support for 10.4 ended less than 3 years ago. This whole argument that its too difficult for them to program for PPC computers (which make up a huge market share for apple still) is BULL** because 10.5 supports PPC!! The **** program works for 10.5 PPC so make it support 10.4.11 PPC. It wouldn't make me so angry because Ping is worthless but if I can't update my iPhone then this messed up. At least I have a computer running 10.6.4 but i'm still ****** about this because I use my iMac running 10.4 daily. What makes me the most angry is the XP support. It DOESN'T MAKE ONE BIT OF SENSE to have a whole dev team devoted to a 10 year old XP OS that is made by a rival company to make iTunes 10 run on it and not support YOUR OWN LOYAL APPLE USERS with the same update. I'm not drinking the Apple coolaid anymore if its going to come down to this crap. Joined just so I could also show my frustration with Apple and the rest of the 10.4.11 community. If your going to do this you allow us to buy 10.5 for a reasonable price, not $150 dollars. I wish Apple would listen to all of our voices but i'm afraid Steve Jobs and Co. no longer care about their end users. I have been an Apple user my entire life and i'm sad to say that no longer feel the loyalty like I used to with them. If they are going to broaden their horizons to other OS's and support them more than their own they shouldn't be surprised when their OS X market share never gets above 5% once people start jumping ship. Buying computers are like buying a car. If I can get a computer with the same specs with a 10 YEAR 100k mile WARRANTY (10+ years of OS SUPPORT- Windows) or but an overpriced flashy one with only 3 years 35K (3 years of OS support- APPLE) you can see why windows will always dominate Apple. I'm extremely frustrated.