Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

Can anyone help; I am in a nightmare situation. Was using itunes 9.1.2, attempted to upgrade iphone 3GS to 4.1, it froze, needed to restore. Wouldn't restore, error 21. One of suggested solutions is to reinstall itunes so (AHHHHHHHHH!!!!) I did a complete uninstall of itunes.

Now I can't access anything - 10 won't install, 9.1.2 refuses to install, codec overrun????, installed 9.1.1, it won't open as my itunes library was "created by a newer version".

Incidently I easily restored my phone on friend's PC using itunes 10 - but have lost all data and can't get to to until I can get a version of itunes.

Yeah I didn't save up to buy a whole new OS, just simply wanted to buy a new iPod Touch. And if I did, probably in a year or so, I'd run out of options again, when even Leopard becomes "too old" Sorry thanks for your help but I'm still unhappy about it. Especially knowing people with Windows have no problem with this, very unfaithful to your own customers.

You can buy Snow Leopard for $29. That should install. Its cheaper than Leopard, and already you can't use some stuff with Leopard. There is nowhere in the EULA that says you can't use the single user disc (the $29 disc) to upgrade from Tiger.

AnonMac

I just purchased a new ipod nano... I can't put any music on it unless I have itunes 10.0... I can't get itunes 10.0 unless I upgrade my OS (I currently have Mac OS X 10.4.11)... I almost solely use my Mac for my ipod since I have to work on a Mac...

what a joke apple is...

The itunes requirement is mentioned on the box, true, but the consecutive OS X version required is not - maybe I should apologize I had better things to do than running a background check before buying a $150 ipod... Surely such extremely sophisticated device is not something you purchase without heavy preparation.

In any case, spending money to upgrade an OS I would have only used for an ipod is so absurd that I'd rather return the ipod.

I really can't understand why apple would not support the old version of its own OS, it's actually quite insulting...

Not sure if anyone has posted the numbers. Here's the OS market share:

Windows
7 ----15.87%
Vista--14.00%
XP----60.89%
Mac
10.6---2.59%
10.5---1.73%
10.4---0.55%

It's obvious they have to support XP, and it's probably good practice for them to phase out 10.4. I even have a first gen MacBook I've yet to update. I don't think there is much room to complain about not being able to run new software on outdated hardware. -Insert adage about old dogs and new tricks-

I have a PowerBook G4 with OS 10.4.11 and just the 512 MB/1GHz Memory/Processor combo. I'm pretty sure my machine can't take the next upgrade [Leopard] Does this sound right? And, if so, was there an upgrade between the latest iTunes and iTunes 9.0.3? My iPod Touch says it just needs a 9.2 version and I wonder if I can get it somehow?

Sorry if someone already asked this--too much to sift through. thanks for any help!

OK, give me the $100 for the extra gig of RAM I'll need and the $39 for the OS upgrade. I bought a $2500 Intel TIGER MacBook Pro in 2007 and now it is unsupported. At least MS supports their products for longer than 3 years.

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A 2007 MBP? That came with a minimum of 1 GB RAM (which is what Snow Leopard wants). I bought a 2 GB stick for less than $100 for my MBP. Tiger and the MBP are still supported. Even PowerBook G4s are.

Also, you can't get Windows Media Player 12 for XP (and correct me if I'm wrong, Vista as well). XP is the most used OS on the planet. Also, compare the prices of Snow Leopard and that of Windows 7. I understand how annoying it is for Tiger users, and I am annoyed as well.


AnonMac

Typical Apple fanboy.

Why do you say this? Because I stated a fact that you don't like?

give me the $100 for the extra gig of RAM I'll need and the $39 for the OS upgrade

No. Move out of your mom's basement, get a job and purchase your own products.

I bought a $2500 Intel TIGER MacBook Pro in 2007 and now it is unsupported

No it's not. It's still fully supported.

At least MS supports their products for longer than 3 years.

The HAVE to because they wait so long to update the OS.

Hey Nolf,

Anyways, like the majority of the people on this thread we are all perplexed why Apple would slight their core users and continue to support a 10 year old XP vs a 3 year old 10.4. Since 10.5 still runs on PPC's and they built iTunes 10 to still work with 10.5 and any supported PPC's using it, it seems like it wouldn't take much to continue to allow it to support all PPC's on 10.4; its basically the same software build, just adjusting the program parameters to accept it to run on 10.4 and its slightly lower specs. That tired excuse that 10.4 "machines are outdated" argument is void because they are allowing iTunes 10 to run on 10 year old XP machines with much lower specs than 10.4 maxed out PPC's.

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Itunes site already says is needed 10.5

Well, I try one more time to install 9.2.1 on my Ibook G4 with Tiger 10.4.11


I can´t install yet. It still doesn´t working, it says me "Please use english version". I´ve uninstalled 8.2.1 but problem continues with 9.0.2 english version.

I´ve back to 8.2.1


Congratulations Apple, I went to buy an Ipod Nano 5G, cause I like more than new model, now if I wanna use it, I need to use Windows.

My old XP SP2 is now upgrading to SP3, what is required as system requeriments to be able to use Ipod.

Is it sure or is a new error / lie from Itunes site? A few days ago, you say as Itunes 10 minimum requeriments 10.4.11, later download I check this is false. It is needed 10.5 Congratulations, you already fixed that. Now it is shown 10.5 as minimum requeriments....

My Ibook from 2005 is not able to.

They only care about noobies switchers, which just buy their products for personal cool image in place use a better system.

Those who really appreciate Apple, or leave our money each year or we are unatended.


Congratulations again, it´s obvious you don´t care and you don´t bother market share, only you want is catch the money from people who just buy your products to show off them.

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It looks like without iTunes 10, I cannot update my iPhone to 4.1 either: when I click the "update" button for the iPhone it tells me that my iTunes is up-to-date... 9.2 (thanks, I already knew that). Note that it is the button supposed to update the iPhone software, not iTunes!

Unfortunately it's not just a matter of updating to Leopard (for which I would even have the installation disks). The problem is that Leopard (and Snow Leopard, for that matter) has a bug in X11 which prevents proper remote display forwarding under certain circumstances. As I need X11 to work under those circumstances, I cannot upgrade the OS until Apple fixes X11... so now I can choose between not being able to work, and not being able to update the software on my phone... GREAT!

Considering that Tiger is more stable than either 10.5 or 10.6 (all other people at work have been forced by our IT team to use 10.5 or 10.6: their machines freeze and display bothersome behaviors at a rate ten times mine, which still runs 10.4.11), I don't understand why Apple is trying to push Tiger users out of the market.

Perhaps they're basically preventing people from being disappointed when their older impotent PPC-based machine craps out and buckles under the weight of today's increased computing demands?

Just to echo a comment above, it's not like Apple hasn't given everyone plenty of advance notice that the PPC-based chips aren't going to get them where they're wanting to take the platform (and to keep up with PC competitors!), and they were going to migrate (read phase-out support) to the stronger Intel-based chips. Hardly news to anyone who's followed the keynotes, etc.

I've owned Macs from the Apple IIe days, and have owned Apple laptops from PB3400 series: while I don't like that my 1.5GHz Alum G4 Powerbook is considered dated and now a 'legacy' machine, it's not like Apple is reasonably expected to ship me a retrofit Intel CPU designed for g4 Powerbooks, just so it can keep up with the rest of the line! (If it were even possible!) No, It was time for the machine to be put out to pasture and retire for lighter uses (surfing, e-mail, etc), and not hold up the rest of the product line.

I've long ago updated to a MBP 2.6GHz Dual-Core, and the thing puts the ol' Powerbook to shame (like comparing a .357 to a pea-shooter). Truly a significant upgrade, and you only have to use an Intel-based machine (watching Activity Monitor) under a heavy computational load or with video demands placed on it to see WHY they NEEDED to move on. For example, I can run video apps (e.g. EyeTV) on my Intel MM that will stumble and fail on an older PPC MM. It's as simple as that.

Now, where I call Apple out is in not knowing which machines support iTunes 10.0.1.

I recently reinstalled OS X.10.4.11 on the 1.5GHz G4 PowerBook, with plans go no higher than 10.4.11 (since I have outdated software that cannot run on anything higher, unless I PAY for the 3rd-party developer for an SL update. No thank you: your software works fine under 10.4.11). I'm letting my GF use my machine, with the idea that I can borrow it when I rarely need to run the legacy disk utility software (maybe 1x per year: it's software that re-partitions a drive without re-formatting).

So after going thru a clean install to X.10.4.11 and the lengthy set-up (i.e. updating via software update), I fire up iTunes 4 (installed via OS X.10.4 DVD), and a pop-up appears which tells me iTunes 10.0.1 is available for download.

Now, I consider this WRONG: Apple's servers SHOULD know I'm using a PPC machine, and SHOULD know that 10.0.1 will refuse to install on my laptop; don't waste my bandwidth and time prompting me to install the wrong software! This happened LAST NIGHT, so it's still an issue....

As it happens, after it failed to install, I knew to check Apple's site, and saw the older iTunes software (8.2.1) that was recommended on the download page; I had success with that.

HOWEVER, I see that a version of iTunes 9.2.1 is no doubt a better choice (as linked above). So it's back to the download section....

Come on, Apple: while I don't expect you to perform miracles by making my PPC as powerful as a new Intel-based machine, at least fix your servers and don't mislead me and waste my time by directing me to an incorrect download option (whether 10.0.1, or 8.2)! I dare say it's not asking too much for you to know your own legacy machine's capabilities, and prompt users to the proper version.

Such a shame

Unfortunately, this type of mischief is not the exception but the rule. Take a look at the following list of Apple items that do not work with other Apple items older than about 3 years (specifically Mac OS Tiger).

1. Magic Mouse
2. Magic Track Pad
3. Itunes 10
4. Any of the newer iPods/iPhone models

But why won't they work? It isn't because of incompatible hardware. It's because Apple want us to drop serious $$$ on new software or hardware to be able to enjoy any of the new iStuff available at any Apple Store today.
Why shouldn't Mac OS X Tiger be compatible with iOS 4 Apple? Or the Mighty Mouse or the New iPods or anything new at your stores for that matter?

There was once a time when Apple was the leading innovator in terms of hardware, software and service. Now, it seems that their innovation has been limited at finding new ways to bilk people (specially loyal Apple consumers) of their money.

I went to an Apple store on saturday because my iPod 2G, running iOS 3.1, had been acting up. The "Genius" at the store fixed it, but unbeknownst to me, installed iOS 4 on the device. I dreaded having to install the bloated iTunes 10 on my aging Apple computer running Tiger, but decided it would be more expedient than going back to Apple. Little did I know that iTunes 10, as soo many of you have pointed out in this thread, is not compatible with Tiger, and if you do want to update, you apparently have to jump through hoops to get it. So I went back, and the "Genious" told me there is no way to install an older version of iOS on my device.

So now I'm stuck with a $300 Apple device that is not compatible with a $2,000 Apple device and for what reason? No one at Apple knows or cares because I'm not a buyer.

It's been a week and I have yet to hear sound coming out of of my iPod.