Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

Weißtitan wrote:
So I went back, and the "Genious" told me there is no way to install an older version of iOS on my device.

Guy lied.. You can install the old iOS on your iDevice. I would do it also if I still used it.

Not only was it a lie, but a widely patent one at that.

Funny; I had done quite a bit of research on the matter before returning to Apple. I have (as have we all) seen evidence in blogs, videos, comments etc. proving that one can in fact downgrade to a previous iOS despite Apple. I would have done it myself if an extended warranty wasn't on the line. The "Genius", however, begged to differ. "There is no way to downgrade" he said. I look at him and sternly asked him if he was sure. After a noticeable pause he responded with a nervously slow "yes".....

.... pathetic!

I have since fixed my issues by downloading iTunes 9.2 after finding out from this blog (and not the "Genius") that this is probably the only version compatible with both iOS 4 and Mac OS X Tiger.

Apple, you have lost much of my respect.

You can add to your list Apple TV 2. I just bought one only to find I need itunes 10 to sync with it. No problem I thought...I'll just download itunes 10. Now I find I can't use iTunes 10 with Toger. It didn't say THAT on the box.
Very glum Apple.
Could do better.

that's really a mess,
i got a PowerBook still with 10.4.11 because 10.5 won't install (there was electrical shock who damage some internal component : no more ethernet, but everything else works fine, then i don't need to change or spent money on this..)
and i use an iTunes alias because all my stuff is on external HD, and the day i plug this HD on another machine with the same alias (and iTunes 10 upgrade), iTunes 10 update my library WITHOUT Asking first, and result : i cannot open anymore on my PowerBook/iTunes 9...

so what ? is Apple will do a Tiger version of iTUNES 10 or give me a reverse engine to restore my library to use with my iTunes 9 ???

Daxx,

That's a mess, but one of the features added via the many iTunes updates over the years is the ability to back-up your library (database files, and actual music/video content) to CD/DVD. I backed up recently, and it took (8) 8GB dual-layer DVDs ⚠, and about 6 hours). As they say, files should NOT considered to be backed up, unless they exist in 2 other locations on two other types of media (I back-up my library, which is on ext HD, to another HD; now it's backed up on DVD).

Even though I'm not sure how well the process worked (burn errors on some files 5 hours into the process), it saved my bacon when the library files on HD were overwritten afterwards. Fortunately, I was able to recreate the library when I replaced the database files on my ext HD with those I just burned to DVD.

So if nothing else, it's a good idea to back-up the iTunes DATABASE files (iTunes Library, iTunes Library.xml, and iTunes Music Library.xml) periodically, because my understanding is iTunes doesn't allow the user to recreate those files without manually re-adding the music files. You also can back-up the PAID apps/music only, which saves some time (free podcasts can generally be downloaded again, but interesting to note older podcasts are not available).

Guess I'm saying, my library had gotten disorganized and fragmented over the years (e.g. I had files living inside sub-files, due to years of updates that changed file structures and user errors (e.g. I had RAM go bad a few years ago, which can introduce HD write errors). And there were times the ext HD had not been mounted and iTunes used another back-up drive, etc).

I needed to sort it out: Apple cannot back-up files for us, as that remains the responsibility of the USER.

And sorry, but it's not possible to advance the OS X platform for the benefit of the majority of users without leaving the "stragglers" behind (I gave my PB G4 17" (with 10.4.11) to the kids, who'll not need the latest/greatest advances of OS X just for homework, e-mail, browsing, etc).

The competition (e.g. Windows 7) and chip-makers have moved on to more powerful 64-bit processors and OS, and Apple couldn't NOT adapt to changes without the perception of falling behind.

Let me just add my voice to those long time users that say this is aweful. How they can support my windows XP machine, and not support the iBook that I bought in that same year, I just don't understand. I know that they can't support everything forever, but forcing us to buy new computers is just ridiculous! But mainly, I'm frustrated that my 512mb ram windoze box is supported on XP, which has been out 10 years, and not on my iBook, which I still love and use a lot.

Furthermore, and this is the part that really takes the cake.....why would I not want it to work on all of my macs, new and older, so that I can use the programs in different parts of the house? I STILL have iTunes 8 on my iBook, but I can't purchase any new music from the store on that machine, and it has the matte screen which makes it my favorite to use whilst sitting in front of the TV and surfing the net for new music........

I'll see a song and think, "oh, I'll buy that one", but then alas, it cannot be downloaded on iTunes 8. LOL. lol. lol. Their loss, I think?

9 fingers wrote:
People running Tiger wouldn't have an intel processor to try dual booting...next.

False. The first intel macs were released in 2006. Leopard didn't come out until Fall of 2007. There are plenty of dual-bootable Intel macs out there running Tiger.

It is so ridiculous that itunes 10 isn't available for OS X 10.4.11. I got the 4th gen ipod touch for a birthday present and now i can't even use it because i can't even upgrade to 10.5 since they don't sell it anymore. I don't think most people have the money to out right buy a whole new Mac. This is really upsetting Apple. You guys get a major fail on this one.

This is why I'm replacing my iPod 5G with the same model, I'm keeping iTunes 7 and not downloading new versions anymore.
Apple really needs to stop being an idiot and help out the largest group of apple users with this problem.

I agree that Apple is way out of line on this one. I purposely hung onto my ibook PPC because I have older software I want to be able to use, and even though I have an intel desktop, the ibook is my primary machine and what I use to run my AppleTV off of. They're creating a mess and frustrating a lot of loyal users-- bad news.

For those who went back to itunes 8 & are frustrated,here's a link for getting 9.2.1 back:
http://www.dkszone.net/download-itunes-921-windows-mac-osx

It's not 10, but it will fix some issues.

Yup, this *****....
I've just tried Ubuntu 10.10 live CD on my 4 year old iMac - works GREAT straight out of the box!! I am VERY tempted to ditch the whole Apple bandwagon & take the open source route. What's really pathetic is that my netbook, running Windows 7 Starter, costing £200, is compatible with Safari 5 & iTunes 10, & works with a 5 year old Apple Airport Express hooked up to my stereo. Go figure....

Ashley Korth wrote:
Yup, this *****....

It certainly is unfortunate that people don't understand the pace at which technology moves. And that they expect companies to support old hardware indefinitely. Oh, well.

Ashley Korth wrote:What's really pathetic is that my netbook, running Windows 7 Starter, costing £200, is compatible with Safari 5 & iTunes 10.

Sounds like you solved your problem, then? Run Win 7.... It's the current platform supported by Microsoft, and similarly to Apple, THEY don't support, say, Windows 95. XP WILL be phased out, you know....

Look, if you want to use legacy machines, it may mean using legacy OS versions. That automatically means you are going to be left behind on security updates, etc. Apple similarly doesn't support OS 9.1.1, and all the other pre-OS X versions, so let's whine about that, OK?

Feefer wrote:

Ashley Korth wrote:What's really pathetic is that my netbook, running Windows 7 Starter, costing £200, is compatible with Safari 5 & iTunes 10.

Sounds like you solved your problem, then? Run Win 7.... It's the current platform supported by Microsoft, and similarly to Apple, THEY don't support, say, Windows 95. XP WILL be phased out, you know....

Look, if you want to use legacy machines, it may mean using legacy OS versions. That automatically means you are going to be left behind on security updates, etc. Apple similarly doesn't support OS 9.1.1, and all the other pre-OS X versions, so let's whine about that, OK?

Microsoft isn't dropping support for Windows XP until 2014. And as for Windows 95, that's sort of like asking Apple to continue supporting System 7.

Meg St._Clair wrote:
It certainly is unfortunate that people don't understand the pace at which technology moves. And that they expect companies to support old hardware indefinitely. Oh, well.

It's certainly unfortunate that people like yourself clearly have no idea what they're talking about.

Last time I explained the reasoning for iTunes 10 not working on 10.4.11 they deleted my post so I won't bother doing it again.

It has already been mentioned many times in this thread but if you're still running Mac OS X, 10.4.11 you can install iTunes v8.2.1 or v9.2.1. There is known bugs in v9.2.1 that apple doesn't care to fix.