Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

Dunno74 wrote:
Last time I explained the reasoning for iTunes 10 not working on 10.4.11 they deleted my post so I won't bother doing it again.

It doesn't work with 10.4.11 because Apple didn't make it compatible. Not very complicated, really.

Meg St._Clair wrote:
It certainly is unfortunate that people don't understand the pace at which technology moves. And that they expect companies to support old hardware indefinitely. Oh, well.

The new Mac Book Air has the EXACT same hardware specs as the old Intel Mac Mini that shipped with Mac OS X, 10.4.7

Meg St._Clair wrote:
It doesn't work with 10.4.11 because Apple didn't make it compatible. Not very complicated, really.

This is why people are upset. Apple is trying to force people to buy the same outdated technology that you call new and resell it as something else.

Take a seat..

Dunno74 wrote:

The new Mac Book Air has the EXACT same hardware specs as the old Intel Mac Mini that shipped >with Mac OS X, 10.4.7

Not sure about your facts there, as having actually owned/used the original Intel MM, I remember it was a Core Duo chip, and shipped with Tiger. There quickly were changes/revs that upped the MM to a Core 2 Duo chip (note the number TWO); that, along with improvements to FSB, max RAM capacity, GPU, etc. quickly left the MM (esp PPC-based MMs, but even C2Ds) in the dust. I use the MM mostly for video editing/media center, and quickly noted how the newer unit could easily perform tasks that literally brought the older Core Duo to it's knees.

Now, the current rev of MBA is C2D, so I really don't get what your saying, that's it's THE SAME CHIP AS the original Intel MM? Uh, NO.

Performance benchmarks for the current MBA indicate the performance is possibly even snappier than my 2.6GHz MBP (noting there's no SSD in mine).

Sounds like you need to familiarize yourself with the tech history of Apple, and maybe should review the Keynote (from what, 3 years ago?) where Jobs announced the Apple product development road-map (giving non-sedated consumers a heads-up on changes coming down the pike, as a result of Intel's KNOWN product-development roadmap for chips). I can't speak for anyone else, but I based MY buying decisions on that announcement.

This is why people are upset. Apple is trying to force people to buy the same outdated technology >that you call new and resell it as something else.

No one is FORCING you to do anything: last I checked, consumers were LINING UP to buy some Apple products. If you don't like Apple's pace of product development, then feel free to sell your hardware on eBay and buy a Dell, etc. (I hear Dell is GREAT for QA, esp with the capacitors they use...) 🙂

For every person who whines that Apple is going too fast, there's another who's whining about how Apple doesn't have USB 3 yet, or hasn't adopted LightPeak, etc. It just goes to show, you can't please everyone...

Comment to those that suggest I am running an outdated OS on 'legacy hardware':
I like Apple design, both aesthetically & from a useability/virus free technical point. HOWEVER: paying £1,000 plus for a machine that will basically be obsolete within 4 years is not good enough. I realise this is all part of the Apple sales stratergy, & its good to have a company that is innovative, forward looking & successful. As a footnote, I have a 5 year old iBook: dead. 4 year old iPod: dead. 4 year old iMac: LCD panel has yellow stripe down it & would cost £800 to fix(!!!!). Yup, Apple has a lot to answer for......

I'm also suffering from Apple's decision with my iPhone and Core 2 Macbook Pro.

I just wanted to fix the alarm bug on my iPhone by upgrading iOS from 4.1 to 4.2. For this, I need to upgrade my iTune on my Macbook Pro, which I thought was fine. Then, I was utterly shocked to find out I cannot do so only because my Core 2 Macbook Pro runs Tiger. Unbelievable.

Do I have to migrate to Snow Leopard to fix the alarm bug on my iPhone? It's not particularly expensive to buy a copy at 25 GBP but I anticipate a lot of labour... This was what I was thinking at this stage.

Even so, I tried to buy Snow Leopard at the Apple online store. Then, they say I should buy the "Snow Leopard box set", which is already discontinued!

Now I am stuck with my iPhone with the alarm bug and Core 2 Macbook Pro. End of Apple life with decent hardware.

hiro uk wrote:
I'm also suffering from Apple's decision with my iPhone and Core 2 Macbook Pro.

I just wanted to fix the alarm bug on my iPhone by upgrading iOS from 4.1 to 4.2. For this, I need to upgrade my iTune on my Macbook Pro, which I thought was fine. Then, I was utterly shocked to find out I cannot do so only because my Core 2 Macbook Pro runs Tiger. Unbelievable.

Do I have to migrate to Snow Leopard to fix the alarm bug on my iPhone? It's not particularly expensive to buy a copy at 25 GBP but I anticipate a lot of labour... This was what I was thinking at this stage.

Even so, I tried to buy Snow Leopard at the Apple online store. Then, they say I should buy the "Snow Leopard box set", which is already discontinued!

Now I am stuck with my iPhone with the alarm bug and Core 2 Macbook Pro. End of Apple life with decent hardware.

You should be able to use the normal disc. There is no way in the Apple EULA that says you can't install it on Tiger. In fact, the disc you are mentioning is the Single User disc (the one in the Mac Box Set is also the same disc). The upgrade disc is another disc that checks to see if Leopard is installed. That disc is free, but it needs shipping fees, unlike the Single User disc. The upgrade disc has upgrade written on it on the disc, so that's how to tell the difference. Which means, you just need to get the normal disc.

You can do a normal upgrade, no need for a clean install. Good Luck.

AnonMac

On the above - I too am 'using a machine capable of running the latest software' but CHOOSE not to because I believe I should be able to update my itunes and therefore fix the bugs on my iphone by accessing the 4.2 upgrade without paying out even more money to upgrade to the new operating system.

Apple, I was one of your brand advocates. You were a brand I loved passionately and promoted avidly. But now? No. You bring out new updates FORCING people to pay more money because they HAVE to otherwise they can't get the new releases which which would fix all the problems on the iphone - which YOU have failed terribly on. I have no doubt whatsoever that Apple are losing brand advocates at an incredible rate due to the failure that is iphone and their lack of consumer support with it.

4.2 fixes all the bugs. Great. If I could get it as I cannot get itunes 10 on my 10.4.11 mac. Thanks very much Apple but I am done.

hiro.. like AnonMac says.. just go buy the Snow Leopard disk. The installer doesn't KNOW or care what OS is resident. I did a clean install after I moved my personal files to a spare partition, and went from the original install of Tiger that came with my computer, to Snow Leopard.. This whole hullabaloo to buy iLife and iWork is just Apple wanting to sell you kit you may not want or need if you don't already have it. I have NEVER used iDVD, iMovie, iWeb or any of that and I despise iPhoto.. you get the picture?

Just one note to point out though, DO go for the 'Optional Installs' after you're at 10.6 and include Rosetta AND QuickTime7, as there's a LOT of older PPC code that you'll still want to run coming from Tiger like you are, and QuickTimeX is just rubbish.

Deb.

Deborah Terreson wrote:
Just one note to point out though, DO go for the 'Optional Installs' after you're at 10.6 and include >Rosetta AND QuickTime7, as there's a LOT of older PPC code that you'll still want to run coming from >Tiger like you are, and QuickTimeX is just rubbish.

FWIW, you can install QT X without over-writing QT7, thus you can have BOTH: there's some good reasons to have both around, since inevitably one will be able do something the other cannot (esp. if you're into video editing, and have installed official Apple or 3rd-party plug-ins that support some functionality)....

Same problem, and i totally agree !
It's pure scandal that i have to pay for upragding my MAC OS first in order to uprgade my Iphone OS, wich is a totally different product !

I'm still searching craked version of 10.5 or 10.6 right now...
Good by Apple.

Not to get too off tangent a bit here to the initial thread, but yes the extras install of QT7 goes to the Utilities folder, whereas QTX is in the Applications. They don't overwrite each other nor do their preferences cross paths. (Unlike my iTunes 10 which has blended it's preferences into my working copy of iTunes 4.6 with some very strange results..) With the Perian codec pack install, QT7 can run just about everything but the Windows media.

Same Problem as well, I really love my apple products too... but I don't have the ability to buy a brand new IPhone and MacBook right now... So my bugs can't be resolved... I have a 3G phone and a 2005 MacBook Pro that are essentially still in good condition and are now obsolete

Is there any real reason why you have to come off so condescending and rude? Some people are not as informed as you are! I know you want to defend apple but being snide is not the way to do it!

I appreciate your expertise, many of the items list in the original post are problems that I am experiencing too, but my goodness your utter arrogance is appalling!

I feel exactly the same way, unfortunately there are those mac zealots that believe their own hype and think so much of themselves they need an iForklift to hold up their ihead.

directed at feefer.

Go into any Mac store mate, ask someone working there the exact same questions and you will get a polite curtious knowledgeable answer without the attitude. they love what they do and not just because they get paid to do it in most cases, they are people that care for the product and take care of the end user that pays their salary, which is something they should try and take into account in this situation, its things like this problem that keep me on the PC side (the dark side) as its what ive used since i could hold a mouse (which wasnt yesterday) and although win 7 is far from perfect its the closest microsoft have gotten to replicating OS X without breeching too many copyrights and its useable, and will probably be supported as XP still is for years to come ..

Cee Shah wrote:
I appreciate your expertise, many of the items list in the original post are problems that I am experiencing too, but my goodness your utter arrogance is appalling!

You know what I find arrogant? Ignorant people who think their personal opinions outweigh facts, even when they don't have a leg (AKA facts) to back up their argument. But since the whole point now is to rage against the mean ol' Apple machine (with Jobs as the antagonist, AKA "the Man"), I 'get' it: rant on! To paraphrase Rahm Emmanuel, never let a good hissy fit go to waste!

BTW, aside from the intrinsic reward of helping others resolve their problem (and as some kind of karmic pay-back for using the Internetz as an incredible resource for solving tech problems, which I do regularly), no one's paid to contribute.

In that light, users should remember it's better not to **** off those forum regulars who have the ability to provide free tech support (I'm reminded of a saying about biting off the hands that feed you)...