Airplay on old Apple TV

Hi. I have a now old apple tv. I was wondering will it support the new ios feature airplay or not? Also will it support the renting tv shows? Thanks.

Apple TV, Other OS

Posted on Sep 11, 2010 3:53 PM

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Nov 23, 2010 10:20 AM in response to swiller

swiller wrote:
The problem is the new features do not work- like playing audio from your iPad or iPhone.


Understood..

I was just clarifying that the original Apple TV has not lost any capabilities, which some folks seem to be confused about.

It still streams audio from iTunes just like it always has, even if it's no longer called AirTunes.

Nov 23, 2010 10:31 AM in response to Jayrad

I have no problem living w/out Video Streaming from our iPhones to our 2 Old ATVs,
or our 2 Expresses, which only do TOSLink Audio.

If we can Audio Stream to our 10 year old Apple Expresses,
disabling Audio Streaming to the First Gen ATV was just plain rude.

Of course we can stream to All Devices from iTunes on the MB,
but only the Express Nodes & New ATV on the iPhones.

It would be nice of them to unlock the Audio Streaming to the Old ATV.
They really can't call it a 'hardware' or 'software' capability issue.

Nov 23, 2010 10:50 AM in response to capaho

Yeah I don't think so. I know enough from the money I have spent for my business. It's not hardware at all its software and iOS developers get access to the 10.6.5 update seeds because iOS 4.2 needs that version of Mac OS X for AirPrint testing. Apple's iOS developers already test apps they build on their Macs using an on-screen iOS device simulator, the emulator means iOS apps can already run on a Mac...Obviously the two can talk. This is what Mac OS 10.7 will utilize in "Lion". Besides, hackers have already blown both devices open with linux scripts to run whatever they want just fine, stop making it seem like its some kind of brand new technology that some scientist invented strictly for just one type of device...history shows that apple makes all of its devices pretty compatible with one another.

The operating system on the ATV1 disk is a stripped down version of OS 10.4.7. Sure, the black second generation Apple TV has a completely different architecture than the original model, but in the same breath it is also not even intended to run iOS applications written for the iPod touch, iPhone or iPad models either. This to me is backwards.

Nov 23, 2010 12:06 PM in response to Robert Kamphuis

Robert I totally agree with you. If it is possible to stream audio to airport express then it is possible to stream to the "old" apple tv. It is just plain unwillingness from Apple.
But let everybody complain at Apple support and not just in this forum. If we flood their support and other media like facebook and twitter then Apple has to come up with a fix or a **** good reason

Nov 23, 2010 1:17 PM in response to AntwerPeter

I really like the old Apple TV because it has local storage. I can play music and video on it without needing another PC booted up to stream stuff from.

The new Apple TV has no local storage, so it can do nothing without streaming. I see Airplay as the only way of legitimizing this choice given people like me that don't want to leave a PC on all day. At least with Airplay you can use your iPod/iPhone/iPad as your "local storage".

So bottom line, for how I use it, the old Apple TV is fine without Airplay. If they provided the support it would be great, but I don't need it.

Nov 23, 2010 2:08 PM in response to Jayrad

I wanted to add my vote to the outrage over the Airplay capability not being enabled on the old Apple TV (aka ATV1, ATV-V1).

1. I want to be able to stream audio from my ipod/iphone/iOS device to my ATV1 (because it is hooked up to my home A/V system).

2. Not as important, but it would be awesome to have the same capability to send pictures and video from the iOS device to ATV-1.

My scenario is this: When I entertain, I have iTunes music stream to my ATV-1 which is connected to my TVs and speakers in several rooms. This works great as long as I have the content I want in iTunes on my connected mini. If someone else wants to play a tune from their iphone, we can't do it.

The hardware on the ATV-1 is surely capable.

Nov 23, 2010 4:53 PM in response to Jayrad

After being a Microsoftie for over 15 years I succumbed to Apple goodness around 18 months ago. I now own an iMac 27" Quad-core, MackBook Pro 13 & 17, two iPhones in the house plus 8 other macs in my work place that I have purchased. I have had an iPad on my wish list and a new MacBook Air spec'd for my wife...

But I must admit that my fears of 'switching' are not being dispelled by this situation. I knew that in switching I was moving to a different mindset (Windows was the king of backward compatibility which resulted in the good, the bad and the ugly!) and understood that it might be a costly choice over time and I concluded that it was worth it for the Apple treatment. However, reality of this decision is beginning to bite and this is a prime example!

I fundamentally get the difference between Microsoft/PC strategy and Apple Mac/Mac OS X and I know that so much of what we love about Apple is how they reinvent their technology and this type of situation is a consequence of that. But although sometimes this is for good technical reasons it does seem to me that Apple (and Steve Jobs as it's commander and chief) often hide behind the technological advancements argument, when it actual seems quite clear that decisions are made quite ruthlessly for commercial gain, arguably at the expense of customer loyalty. It feels like the technological equivalent of profiteering??! Artificially controlled/orchestrated?!!

Do I love Apple products? Most definitely!... Would I go back? Probably not!... Am I locked in? Absolutely not, I switched once - I could switch again!... Do a feel that I'm valued as an Apple customer? Surprisingly not so much?!?!... The funny thing is, as a Microsoftie (at least over the past 6-7 years) I did feel very much valued indeed?! Go figure?!

I purchased AppleTV January 2010 (£250!!) - I have sung its praises to all my friends over the past 11 months and I'm actually thankful that none had yet parted with their cash as I would have been royally embarrassed now!

I do feel let down and left behind and it is not a nice feeling!! The warm feeling I usually get from Appledom has turned a little cold this past week?!

That's my two pence worth...

Regards,
Michael.

Nov 23, 2010 5:12 PM in response to Stephen Reilly

Can you tell everyone when iTunes and Airport Express became iOS devices please?


The ability to stream to certain network devices was an iTunes feature before AirPlay, and iTunes now recognizes AirPlay devices as well. AirPlay itself, however, is a feature of iOS that makes an iOS device a streaming source.

That is an entirely different matter from a technical standpoint, as the ATV1 lacks the AirPlay software to enable it to be a streaming source, and upgrading the software to make it compatible with the ATV2 requires a software development project that is not likely to happen considering that the ATV1 has been obsoleted by the ATV2.

Nov 23, 2010 5:21 PM in response to lIDDIl

Apple's iOS developers already test apps they build on their Macs using an on-screen iOS device simulator, the emulator means iOS apps can already run on a Mac...


No. An emulator in the case of the iOS development kit merely provides a means to debug an application on a non-native machine. For it to run as a freestanding application the code would have to be written for OS X system calls and ported for Intel processors. OS X and iOS are different operating systems running on different architecture. You simply don't understand how it works if you believe it's a simple process to upgrade the ATV1 to the same features as the ATV2.

Nov 23, 2010 6:08 PM in response to capaho

This is very understandable, however, what most people are thinking is that the update could have been possible. There hasn't been any definitive reasoning given as to why the atv1 wasn't given the same sort of upgrade. It certainly seems as though the device is not limited due to hardware limitations and a software issue seems plausible, however this is Apple we are talking about. My thoughts are if they wanted to make it work, they would have. If there is a reason why it CAN'T work, tell us (I'm referring to Apple, not necessarily you personally). If it was an oversight, just let us know. Otherwise, we'll just keep holding on and hoping on something that my never be.

Nov 23, 2010 7:58 PM in response to Ladder Logic

If there is a reason why it CAN'T work, tell us (I'm referring to Apple, not necessarily you personally).


I can't answer for Apple, obviously, I've merely given my perspective on this as a software developer in an effort to provide a reality check for some emotionally driven, if not unrealistic, expectations. iOS applications will not run on OS X because the processors and underlying architecture are different. It is not a simple matter of somehow magically plugging the AirTunes software into the ATV1.

I agree that Apple could provide a software upgrade for the ATV1, but there would be significant development costs in doing so that could not be justified from a business standpoint considering that it is now obsolete. That's simply a reality of this business.

Nov 23, 2010 9:26 PM in response to capaho

Agree with you for the most part. I contend that the ATV1 still generates revenue, maybe enough and maybe not, by the purchases the owners make on the device itself. Remember, there are customers that have an ATV1 and don't own a computer. My parents are one such group of people, though I gave them the unit. At the moment, ATV2 is not justified on their part, even though it's a low price, due to the components needed to make it work.

I understand what your point is, however, Apple could state that there is too high of a development cost on this and I would be content. I still sense this is speculation on why. I'd like to know the real reason, if there is one.

Moving forward, the business side of things may not warrant any additional improvements, but I and many other say, wouldn't it be great if... Thing is, most ATV1 customers are core apple users, unlike my parents. From a customer standpoint, this is justified. Especially the ones who recently bought the ATV1, and have an iPad and/or an iPhone/iTouch. They, we, are the buying customers who obviously buy more than one device... The more devices we buy, the higher the expectations are for them to all work the way we envision them to.

Nov 23, 2010 9:58 PM in response to Ladder Logic

I understand what your point is, however, Apple could state that there is too high of a development cost on this and I would be content. I still sense this is speculation on why. I'd like to know the real reason, if there is one.


Don't hold your breath on that one. Apple has never been known for its candor, and its history of withholding information regarding upcoming products rather than announcing them in advance (as Microsoft does) is the primary reason why we end up with discussions like this from frustrated customers who want upgrades for products they didn't know were about to be replaced when they bought them.

Nov 23, 2010 11:28 PM in response to capaho

I am wondering what laws would apply to to the sale of the ATV (1st model) if under a year old, as it would be reasonable to expect that software support would be available for at least as long as the warranty is running...!

I wonder if this would help, or if the Sales of Goods Act is suffice...

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (the CPRs) implement the *EU Unfair Commercial* Practices Directive. They introduce a general prohibition against unfair commercial practices.

I know that car manufactures have to make available for 10 years the parts for any model of car they produce, even after production of that car has ceased, and if they can't they have an obligation to pass the rights to a manufacturer so the parts can still be made, normally a 3rd party though.

So surely software and support should be the same...? A legal issue maybe...???

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