Netflix pausing/buffering issues

Hey all!

I bought my apple tv yesterday, mainly for the purposes of watching netflix, so my parents can have the wii back. Everything works fine, youtube, flicker, itunes and so forth, but then when I would try to watch an episode of tv on netflix, every one to two mins it would pause for 30ish seconds and have the spinning wheel going, like it was buffering.

Has anyone else had these issues? If so, how do you fix it?

Thanks!

Posted on Oct 17, 2010 7:50 AM

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Jun 17, 2011 6:48 PM in response to Bradley Rubin

Hey Bradley,


So here are a few questions:


1. Is this something that Apple really didn't know about & now that it's brought to their attention did they mention anything about an update or permanently fixing the glitch for everyone? I remember a while ago, I contacted Netflix & they told me that my Roku was pulling a steady 7mbps while my Apple TV was around 1mbps. Would that be related to fix you mentioned? I'm sorry to play dumb but I've never heard of "CDN" so that explanation was a little confusing. Was there every any merit to those who recommended using OpenDNS or Google DNS?


2. Why did only some people have this problem with their ATV2?


3. I belive i read a while ago that someone opened their ATV2 & found some memory inside. If this is the case, do you think the ATV2 will ever buffer like the Roku? Is it even possible or is it a completely different approach to connecting to Netflix?


Thanks again for your help!

Jun 17, 2011 8:43 PM in response to peripheral

Here are some answers:


1. I believe that Apple was well aware of a problem, but couldn't reproduce it with the appropriate instrumentation to debug it in their locations. Also, the randomness of this made it look like simple fixes, such as changing wireless channels, resolved the issue (but it turned out that in the long run it didn't). And, this impacted some, but not all customers. Also, this problem fell at the intersection between Netflix and Apple, which is never easy. The fix was for Netflix to no longer serve content from one of the three 3rd parties to ATV2s. Therefore, there isn't anything for Apple to do, and no update needed for us. In the long run, I don't know what the plan is for bringing this 3rd party back on line. If I were Apple, I would work on an error recovery/debug/reporting update for this type of problem in anticipation of future hiccups. The Netflix statement about the low ATV throughput threw me off for a while too, until the ATV2 development team explained that they used an adaptive, variable rate bit scheme, so this rate is low by design, and was/is not an indication of a problem, which now makes perfect sense to me. I hope the Netflix support reps get the word about this.


The CDN thing is actually simpler than it sounds. When you hit "play" on a Netflix movie, you don't get the movie content directly from Netflix. Netflix contracts with three different companies to host copies of the content, geographically distributed around the country. Your content comes from a server run by one of these companies... a server that has it and that is close (in a network sense) to you. The more popular the content, the more servers it is cached on. The issue of OpenDNS or Google DNS messing up your geographical location, instead of using your default ISP one, and the role it plays in Netflix assigning you your CDN server for the content, is a murky one. I have found a lot of voodoo surrounding this topic, but not alot of hard data. Personally, I think that Netflix and the CDNs are smart enough to use our IP address to get a rough geographical location, and can use some quick supplemental measurements if needed, to find the right CDN server for each of us, for most cases. So, I don't think that our DNS server choice, as long as it is reasonable, makes a big difference. But, it would be an interesting experiment to run (I might have a student work on this question this Fall).


2. I don't know, and I wish I did. My best, wild, guess is that the "problem" CDN vendor had a bad network component, like a router, that impacted some of the routes from it (like to you and me), but not other routes.


3. The ATV2 does heavy buffering when you play iTunes content. However, they chose a different path than Roku for Netflix content. Whether this was the right move, or not, is probably subject to debate. Personally, I think that the adaptive variable bit rate approach, like the ATV2 uses with Netflix, will be the right choice in the long run, and (totally speculating here), it might be an approach that, because it minimizes required bandwidth, allow Apple in the future to server more and more content from their own data centers in the future, without the need for these third-party CDN caches, allowing Apple to be more in control of their user's experience. I think we are seeing some growing pains with this new technology.


From my perspective, we should have two views of Apple here. We should be hard on Apple for allowing this problem to fester for so long. Given the 85,000 views on this thread, this was a big issue and must have cost them and Netflix a lot of support money, and cost their customers a lot of very frustrating wasted time. But, we should be also thankful that Apple stood up to take ownership of this issue even when, as the dust settled, it was totally (or at least mostly) Netflix and their CDN vendor's problem.


I forgot to mention the worst part of this experience: Apple asked me to watch a list of popular titles (because they would be cached in many places), so I had to sit through a bit of Kick-***, Dora The Explorer, Easy-A, and Curious George 2 🙂

Jun 18, 2011 1:19 PM in response to RebeccaA

I just upgraded my ATV2 and have Comcast 54mpbs Down at my home, with the ATV2 connected via Cat-6 to my Apple Extreme Basestation. I am unable to log in to my Netflix account. I was initially logged in and logged out, but have not been able to log-in since. Any thoughts?


Bradley I know you say your problem is fixed, is there anything I need to do to try to get logged back in to Netflix. I am able to log in through my Macbook Air and Powermac no Problem.

Nayan

Jun 18, 2011 3:58 PM in response to Bradley Rubin

I'm still having a hard time letting go of IPv6 being the source of issues with Netflix and ATV2. I would be curious if the majority of the folks having the issues also have a home router capable of IPv6. I know Apple Airport Extreme supports IPv6 as well as tunneling IPv6 through IPv4.


I don't know if this would work or not, but if I had and Airport Extreme I would go into the configuration settings and see if there was somewhere to turn off IPv6.


For LuckyNiner - if the suggestions others mentioned didn't work out - try Unplugging the power from the Comcast modem, Apple Extreme Basestation, and ATV2. Plug them back in reverse order.


Power back on in this order.


Comcast Modem - wait a few minutes for the modem to boot up and talk to Comcast. In my modem the lights go from blinking to solid when it is fully configured from my ISP.


Apple Extreme Base Station - Again, wait for it to fully come online.


ATV2.


If there were any IP addresing issues this may fix it.


There is a bunch of interesting reading out there if anyone is interested in this IPv6 stuff.


Apple has been using IPv6 for some time now and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple develops the next killer app to take advantage of this awesome protocol. My hunch/gut/speculation is that Apple will have such a cool app that the only way to take advantage of it is to buy all Apple products to ensure IPv6 compatibility.

Jun 20, 2011 7:28 PM in response to Bradley Rubin

My AppleTV problems are still not resolved, tried to watch Netflix last night without any success. AppleTV kept loggin off from Netflix and got the "service unavailable" error message for more than an hour. Tried reseting my AppleTV, unplugging the power cable on my AppleTV and modem, still no luck not working at all so finally gave it a rest yesterday. Today I got home from work and again tried to watch a movie on Netflix and after a few minutes of play time the movie would crash, pressed play no "resume play" option went back from the beggining, so for now my problem is not buffering it's been able to access Netfilx from my AppleTV. Really dissapointed to still have these kind of issues with my AppleTV, overall it's not working as expected.

Jun 23, 2011 12:43 PM in response to johnode

I had the same streaming issue (pausing every 2-3 minutes). After trying to solve this issue using almost all the advices posted here I found another one that might be useful.


I've changed the video quality to the second level of streming. Since my plasma TV supports 480p and 720p, I practically cannot see any difference in the image quality, and, more important, the pause issue was solved completely.


http://www.neowin.net/news/netflix-now-allows-users-to-change-video-quality


These are my two cents, hope his might be useful for some of you.


Regards

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