Poor resolution when plugged into 1080p 32" TV

I've plugged my brand-new mac mini into my 32" LG LCD TV. although the display reads "1080p", the image is not crispy by any means and the picture goes over the size of my tv. i've fixed the desktop size by using overscan. i cannot figure out how to fix the clarity.

any ideas?

Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.4)

Posted on Oct 18, 2010 6:47 AM

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Oct 25, 2010 10:45 AM in response to spark plugs

I've just purchased a 2010 Mac Mini.
I have plug it to my Sharp AQUOS LCD Model LC-46D64U. My LCD is 46" 1080p resolution and is up to date with latest firmware.
I am using HDMI to HDMI cable.
I have tried a combination of 3 different cables with 3 different ports.
I have tried every resolution and have even tried font smoothing.
My fonts are blurry (out of focus)and images that are sharp and clear on my PC appear dark, pixelated and grainy using my Mini(very Low-Fi look to it).

I have consulted Apple Geniuses.
Using LCD: they say they are unable to reproduce problem with font, but image was dark and pixelated.
Using Apple Cinema: Picture and fonts were sharp and crisp.
Their recommendation was to avoid using HDMI to connect to LCD. They suggested using Mini-Display to VGA cable. I have tried and the image quality is better, but my Mac Mini does not support higher resolutions such as 1080p , using VGA cable.

Does anyone have a solution?
Is there a problem with my graphics card? Should I replace my Mini?
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

May 13, 2013 11:40 PM in response to H.M.J.

Yeah, I suppose the name of the thread should better describe the issue people are having, which is not being able to output 1080p at all over (mDP to) HDMI. (Even if it worked previously.)


OS X usually detects the native resolution (Best for display) but this is not the case for everyone experiencing this issue. Setting the resolution manually can work but sometimes OS X does not display all the resolutions that your monitor actually support. (Like 1080p, for instance.)

Pressing option(alt) and clicking "Scaled" should give you the full list of resolutions. (See screenshot)

However, it doesn't for everyone... Which is why we have this thread.

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You usually can't have mirroring and 1080p unless both displays support it. (Mirroring usually won't allow a resolution that exceeds the native resolution of any of the mirrored displays, that's why it was limited to 1280x800 in your case.)

May 14, 2013 2:31 PM in response to turtleneck and beret

OK, you must be using Lion. I am still using Snow Leopard because I always wait several updates before I update anything, since updating anything always breaks something. This is an example of that. I don't have the 'Scaled' option at all. But I do get all supported resolutions for both monitors, even when I turn mirroring on. It looks the same either way.


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Of course, in mirrored mode, I can only set the TV to 1280x960 max, which is closest to the native 1280x800. Odd choice since this is 4:3. 1280x720 would have given 16:9, which is also what 1080p is, and hence, most people's TV.


I talked about not seeing the refresh rate in unmirrored mode.


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But I do see the option to change it in the settings dialog above, which was ending up on the TV so I never noticed it while working on the MBP screen. It's good to see that I can know which rate I am using without resorting to trial and error.


That leads me to another dilemma I have. I would, naturally, like to see only the app of my choice appear on the external monitor, and everything else on the native screen. It is annoying, and in this case, misleading, to have a settings dialog like that split between two screens. Totally counter-intuitive and undesirable IMO. I have found no good way to do this. AFAIK there is no setting to associate an external monitor with a particular app. Or is there?

Feb 16, 2012 5:06 PM in response to spark plugs

I've posted this in another thread, but I thought I'd add it to this one to help those out with the same issue I had.


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I reckon I've found a solution to this - or at least I managed to resolve the issue you're all describing at my end; a new 2011 MacMini driving HDMI to a TV (1080p) with a shocking picture quality (text with white halos, stark contrast, etc). This (unfavourably) compared to a Core 2 Duo Mini which had perfect picture quality at 1920x1200.


So after trying

HDMI out -> TV = poor

Mini DisplayPort -> HDMI = poor

Mini DisplayPort -> VGA = great picture quality at a low res, but after clicking 'detect displays', avail res's changed and the picture took on a very purple hue...?!


The TV didn't have a DVI connector, so I couldn't try that path.


Just before throwing in the towel, I though I'd try coupling the MiniDisplayPort/T'bolt -> DVI adaptor with the 3rd party DVI -> HDMI adaptor we had connected to the previous MacMini.


To my great surprise and relief, this solution works! It makes sense too - the Mini now thinks it's connected to DVI and shows the full range of resolutions it previously showed with the previous Mini, 1920x 1200 being one of them rather than the TV-only res's (1080, 720 etc) it displays over HDMI.


SO, MiniDisplayPort to DVI, then DVI to HDMI and hopefully, champagne and caviar!

Feb 28, 2013 1:24 PM in response to dragon174

I don't think it will work because you're merely going HDMI - DVI - HDMI.


Better to try Mini display port to the VGA socket on the monitor. Apple have a cable for this...


http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/B/mini-displayport-to-vga-adapter?mco=M TA4OTEwNjA#


You will need a VGA to VGA cable as well.



I don't think HDMI to VGA will work, see here why...


http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/41624/how-can-i-connect-a-mac-mini-to-a -vga-monitor



Failing that, I think you might have to change the monitor, but at least it's easy to take the mac mini into the store and check before you buy.


Good luck.

Mar 5, 2012 4:28 PM in response to spark plugs

I'm also having this problem. Although I appreciate the fixes in this forum, they are not actual solutions. So far I've heard:


  1. Use an adapter that converts Apple's old mini display port to VGA in the Thunderbolt port - I've already done this, and yes the display looks awesome on my monitor that only supports a VGA input. However, I am trying to get a second display to work (which is an LCD TV)
  2. Use an adapter from mini display to HDMI through the Thunderbolt port - Again, same issue as above. I need to utilize the HDMI port on my Mac Mini.
  3. Do a bunch of ridiculous adjustments to your TV to make it kiiiiind of look almost okay. - Obviously not a true solution either.


I'm just really annoyed at Apple for not even testing this. Or if they did, they chose to overlook it. And now that people are complaining about it, what do they do? Sit quiet until more people complain. I read (can't remember if it was this thread or elsewhere) that someone sat with the techs at the Apple store, and their solutino was #1 I listed above. That's just not acceptable. As someone else mentioned on this thread, "I only bought this crap to write iPhone apps." Well, now I'm stuck with one monitor to write my apps, while a perfectly good PC could be allow me to use both monitors and help me greatly with my production.


My only other option at this point is to shell out $50+ for an external (USB) graphics card to plug in my TV or my other spare VGA monitor. I'd be happy to do that if Apple's willing to pay for it (since I'm not doing this for gaming or anything). But we all know they won't do that... Unless practically all of their users complain (remember the "Death Grip" fiasco with the AT&T iPhone 4?). Probably at least 50% of the users of these things won't ever notice the blurriness, or they won't ever plug their machines into a display via HDMI.


I guess I'll try to hit up Apple support, but I definitely don't want to devote my whole life to troubleshooting their issue (which you know will happen). I hope this is a driver issue that will just get resolved in an update to Lion.


Thanks all.

Oct 18, 2010 4:18 PM in response to spark plugs

I too have the same problem. The mac detected the HDTV at first boot, and defaulted to 1080p. I've tried that and a few other resolutions, but the text looks bad (fuzzy) and photos that looked perfect on my 13" macbook look bad (like melted plastic) on the big screen. Not low resolution photos either, using a Nikon D5000 @ 12mpx.

For the size issue, I'm able to correct w/ a HDTV setting for picture size called "fit to screen" or by moving the underscan slider, but with or without, picture just doesn't look good. my 2008 macbook looks better on the same screen via the miniDVI adapter to a DVI-HDMI cable.

Oct 28, 2010 8:45 AM in response to BSteely

Hey

I have Tried all 4 settings Normal, Dot By Dot, Stretch a Super Stretch. All have same issues.
Sharp does not have a Sharpness on/off toggle, I have however played with contrast, brightness, backlight and sharpness. I have tries a combination of solution but same result. I have also attempted to use Apple colour calibration and still Same result.

Since my last post, my Mac Mini has frozen several times. Each time it froze i was viewing videos on YouTube and other streaming sites.

Oct 28, 2010 9:09 AM in response to SVMini

I haven't had any problems with viewing video, only text, system menutes, and pictures look crappy, and have yet to have it freeze for no reason (twice it was running a conversion a huge file, and I don't attribute that to video issues). But have noticed significant delay/lag on the screen (between moving the mouse and the reaction of the pointer). It has grown more pronounced over the week (no reboots, but the LCD is powered down when not in use most of the day), Did upgrade to 10.6.4 last week, no change in the blurry appearance. Have tweaked the settings on the HDTV with no real improvement. Tried turnign off all the "auto correction features" available. Plan on going to one of the local Apple stores this weekend to see if a "genius" can shed any light. I'd hate to think I bought the desktop for the HDMI to LCD (rather than another powerbook) if the newest hardware wasn't ready to support a good size LCD.

Looking at video prefference settings, I am currently using the 1080p HDTV choice (and my HDTV confirms the source is 1920x1080p). I don't see the alleged max resolution (1600x900) as an option, is that only available if you have the mini-display port dongle attached? The highest I have available (from memory, not at the screen this moment) is 1280x960, and while that looks a little better, it makes everything mega-huge on my 40" screen (uncomfortable to read), and defeats the whole point of big screen for more desktop real estate.

Oct 28, 2010 9:23 AM in response to Ted Jaffe

Looking at video prefference settings, I am currently using the 1080p HDTV choice (and my HDTV confirms the source is 1920x1080p). I don't see the alleged max resolution (1600x900) as an option, is that only available if you have the mini-display port dongle attached? The highest I have available (from memory, not at the screen this moment) is 1280x960, and while that looks a little better, it makes everything mega-huge on my 40" screen (uncomfortable to read), and defeats the whole point of big screen for more desktop real estate.


Ted, that statement has me confused. Why are you calling 1600 x 900 a "max resolution"? It would seem to me that 1920 x 1080 is higher, no? Also, you say 1280 x 960 is the highest offering within Displays Preferences? So does that mean the mini is not sending 1080p, because certainly that would be a higher setting. That whole paragraph is very confusing.

Oct 28, 2010 10:02 AM in response to BSteely

Sorry,was worried that might not be clear. Working off my memory (at work, using work PC, the mini is my primary, and still at home).

the Pref menu calls the output (currently selected) 1080p. (in theory that means 1920x1080, right?) All the other resolutions (except 1080i, 720p, 720i) are listed by the resolution numbers (ie 1280x960, 1024x768), and not the common "TV" abbreviation. My HDTV says the source it's receiving on the HDMI input is 1920x1080, but the quality is crap (see thread). On the tech specs page for this machine (only a few weeks old) it says HDMI supports a max of 1920x1200 resolution, but that's not an output option on my list. If the video looks bad at 1920x1080 (why is the reason for this thread), then why are there no other options between 1280x960 and "1080p" if it should support resolutions up to and beyond my 1920x1080 HDTV's abilities?

The same tech specs page says the mini display port max resolution is 2560x1600 (presumably via dongle to DVI?). I don't know what the max of the D-sub input on my HDTV is, but I'd hate to waste more money on another adapter, since the HDMI was supposed to make this CPU more usable, not less.

Oct 29, 2010 6:58 AM in response to Ted Jaffe

I suggest that, unless you have already done so, check the maximum resolution that the TV will accept from a PC source - this will be in the TV manual somewhere listing the resolutions that various sources will produce.

I have the same issue - in my case it is because the Sony Bravia KDL 32W4000 won't accept a 1920x1080 resolution from a PC input. So, despite the fact that your TV will display a full HD signal and that your mini is capable of outputting a full HD signal you may find that your TV won't accept a full HD signal from a PC input. In my experience - the PC through a VGA line looks good but isn't HD; outputting a full 1080p signal from the mini via HDMI gives a grainy picture exactly as described by others in this thread (but it looks fine at 1600x900). I can't tell any difference between watching HD video through the mini or a bluray disc through my ps3.

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