Flash player for Ipad

You clearly have an agenda based on support for a diminishing and limited technology.

Not providing Flash support is a big plus. Buy in now and you'll be that much better off, sooner.

To top it off the lack of Flash support on iOS is not caused by Apple but Adobe.

Adobe so far has not been able to get their crap working on iOS. Their last comment on the subject was that they were giving up on it because they felt it was a going to take way more effort to get it working then it was worth.

Allan

Adobe has never been the reason for that we are still missing the Flash Player on iPad / iPhone - the reason is merely Apple.

You might believe that but that is not what I read on the Adobe web site. There they said they have given up because they are unable to migrate Flash to iOS. So how that is Apples fault I am hard pressed to see.

Allan

Pay attention to what you read sir,

It clearly says they are not able to provide flash player for ios due to restrictions Apple has put in place.

Before Adobe could even attempt to create a version for ios Apple would have to remove the "plug-in" block they have on their devices. Apple has built the browser in a way that no plug-ins will run inside it.

Even Apple's own quicktime plug-in will not run inside the browser due to these restrictions. If not even Apple can get their own plug-in to work how do you expct Adobe too?

Nothing Adobe could ever do untill Apple removes this restriction, just like they say on the website when you try to download it.

You can say for w/e reason Apple chose to block it, but the bottom line is that regardless of reason, the end result is Apple is blocking the flash player, and no amount of work, miracles or magic can overcome the block Apple has in place... only Apple can remove that.

Let this thread die, please.

This thread will not die yet. The replies I get here are based on outdated information. Today Adobe support iOS development using Adobe Flash Professional and Flash Player - further enhancements have been announced. Now you can develop for iOS without touchinhg a single Apple tool. I develop myself using these tools and therefore I am sure that an iOS version of the Flash Player exists - but still we have not seen it. I am quite certain it is a question of time .... whoever we want to blame.

Coreection: Today Adobe supports iOS development using Adobe Flash Professional and Flash Builder.

Still doesn't change that Apple will never put Flash into their browser.

I think that Apple should give the choice to the customers, to turn flash on or off.

I think we , loyal customers of Apple products, should have the decision wether we want to use flash on our devices or not, the same that they provide us with options on using different email providers and other options.

A very noble idea on your part but first before that can be done Adobe has to write a version for iOS which so far they have been unable to do yet. So that sort of throws your idea into the dumpster I would say.

Allan

I've been around for this whole thing as it has played out. I honestly always thought Steve Jobs had something against Flash because it killed of quicktime video in the marketplace. That being said, I watched Adobe bend over backwards to be nice while Apple totally screwed them over. The Flash platform is a great technology and Adobe's tooling is some of the best in the world. If you re-read Steve Jobs' "thoughts on Flash" it is so weird how mean spirited it is. I really mean that, what CEO straight up just comes out and attacks an unrelated technology like that? It's bizaree. On top of it, most of the things he claimed either weren't true or are no longer true because of hard work Adobe has done.

Anyway, I think that Apple really should do the right thing here and allow Flash player on it's mobile devices. There are a lot of developers out there who have been really screwed over by having their content blocked by Apple unfairly.

Dherten wrote:

Anyway, I think that Apple really should do the right thing here and allow Flash player on it's mobile devices.

Since there is no Adobe Flash player for iOS devices, what exactly would Apple be allowing?

Look I get your point. From your perspective Adobe merely has not provided an iOS Flash player. That's not the case, Apple has said they don't support it. It's apple who is blocking it! Go to the flash player download website on Adobe.com:

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Here's what you see:

"Thanks for trying to access Flash Player. Unfortunately, it is not available for your device because of restrictions that Apple has put in place. Click here to see a wide array of the latest smartphones and tablets that do support Adobe's Flash player."

Also, I've gone through the Steve Jobs letter and almost every single point he makes is either not true, or no longer true. Here are honest to goodness responses to pretty much every point he makes that I was able to come up with just off the top of my head. I can only guess that behind the scenes Apple was even more mean spirited when it came to working with Adobe.

Read through his letter again considering these points:

1. Flash is not as "closed and proprietary" as Jobs claimed. The AVM+ has been submitted to the mozilla foundation, Flex and AIR sdks are open source and free. There are even open source, free tools for creating swf content.

2. Apple is actually quite closed an proprietary with it's app store, itunes, it's software and hardware, and has been having record profits as a result (which I do not think is bad, I'm just saying).

3. Flash player supports not only H.264 video but a lot of other video formats. It also allows developers to fully customize the video playback exerience to be however they want it to be, not just simple playback in a video player. He said people aren't missing much video, but they are. I can't see videos on websites on my iPad probably half of the time.

4. Apple did not provide Adobe with the necessary hardware hooks for it's platform in order to adequately perform on mobile devices. Adobe pointed this out but was basically ignored. Either way, the latest version of Flash is secure and fast and really great. Jobs' wrote this letter and really attacked Adobe's platform at that time while it was literally in development; not cool.

5. Users should have access to video whether it is hardware or software decoded, regardless of effects on battery life. However, Apple could easily work with adobe to bring hardware acceleration to non H.264 video. Again Jobs made this claim about Flash when he has in his power to address this, but he didn't (purposefully?).

6. Flash DOES support touch and always has. Touch events in Flash translate straight into click events without recoding. The only limitation is that there is no roll-over, but that is not even a major feature of Flash. Flash also supports touch gestures, swipes, pinches, zooms, etc. Also, when Flash was originally created it was actually intended for tablet computers, which makes Jobs' PC claim pretty ironic. Jobs said this was the "most important" reason, but it is completely untrue and makes zero sense.

7. Jobs claimed that he was trying to not allow a third party to come in between developers and the platform. Well, he is actually doing just that by blocking all third party developers from accessing his platform at all. There is nothing about Flash in a browser that has anything to do with native development. Rather, the Flash platform would allow MORE developers to provide content to Apple users as well as allow users to view MORE already created content. Jobs also claimed that a third party might somehow limit platform features until other platforms have them. This makes no sense at all as things like Flash simply make features available or unavailable depending on the platform that it is being run on. Again, this is unrelated to native coding but Jobs asserts that this is somehow the same thing. It's apples and oranges.

8. Jobs again claims that Adobe only just supported hardware acceleration on the latest version of OS X. That was because Apple has only just then allowed Adobe the required hooks to access the hardware.

9. Jobs makes the claim that "flash is no longer necessary" to do a number of different things. It simply does not make sense that the addition of features on one technology should be reason to block an entire technology that still offers many unique features and lots of available content. It simply does not make sense outside of some sort of weird personal vendetta.

10. Lastly, Jobs at the very end makes a very mean spirited quipp about how Adobe should make open source tooling. This is a direct offensive statement against Adobe's technology and hard work. On top of it, Adobe actually has done exactly that, that is how fair they are and support of the freedom of choice in the marketplace.

Dherten wrote:

Look I get your point. From your perspective Adobe merely has not provided an iOS Flash player. That's not the case,

So Adobe has completed a working version of Flash Player for iOS?

Why haven't they announced it or shown a demo of it running?

This could very easily be done using enterprise deplyment for apps.