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MacBook Pro screen flickers and freezes after Snow Leopard/Safari 5 updates

Hi guys,

I have a silver 120GB 15-inch MacBook Pro from Summer 2007 with 3GB RAM and 25+GB free space which has recently begun to freeze irrecoverably. The first appearance of these symptoms seems to coincide with my installing the Snow Leopard 10.6.6 update via Software Update.

I'm not particularly well versed in computer technology, but will try to describe my problem as detailedly as possible.

What happens is this:

1. I start the computer as per usual, with only a couple of startup items. Everything's fine.
2. I start working. Use a lot of Safari 5 for browsing websites, often with some kind of Flash or "Flash-type" content such as banner ads, videos, even full Flash designs. I may also have programs such as QuickTime, VLC or an image editor open, if not necessarily "actively" doing anything. Everything's still fine - I'm able to both browse websites and watch videos as usual.
3. After a while of active working - say, 1-3 hours - I notice browsing websites gets a little choppy. Display features such as the file list view in Finder may or may not appear properly. The rotating wait cursor may or may not appear from time to time.
4. Immediately after symptom no. 3, the next time I start to watch a video, either via Safari 5 (say for example something on DailyMotion.com) or a file via QuickTime, something goes wrong.

Following no. 4, one of three things invariably happen:

5a) The video freezes and the entire screen flickers from black to the screen view very quickly two or three times, after which the computer or screen appears to freeze. The cursor still moves, but nothing reacts to it - open windows become completely unresponsive, nor does the top or any other menu react in any way to clicking. The "menu row" of application items, which normally appears when I move the cursor to the very bottom of the screen, doesn't appear. Restarting "blindly" by pressing the Off-button once and pressing R doesn't work. I'm forced to do a hard reboot, after which the computer is once again fine until the next two hours of active working. This usually happens ONLY when I try to watch a video in Full Screen-mode.

5b) I notice the video freezing only just in time, and am able to pause it and "esc" out of Full Screen-mode, and the computer remains operational. However, as soon as I again try to play video in Full Screen-mode, everything described in 5a. happens.

5c) The video stops playing, and the screen reverts momentarily to pale blue before switching to the login screen. I login again with my details, and everything appears to be fine again until the next two hours of active working. The computer "starts up" a lot faster than with a hard reboot. This usually happens ONLY when I've tried to watch a video in its original size, i.e. when not in Full Screen-mode.

This happens 1-4 times a day, and it appears to depend directly on how much work I've been doing on the computer. The less I use it in the course of a day, the longer it takes until the next time it freezes.

So, in a way, I'm able to replicate this problem. 95% of the time the screen has frozen while watching or starting to watch (usually already when starting to watch) video footage, but it has also frozen a couple of times just switching between e.g. Safari 5 and an image editor or browsing a website with a Flash banner ad or embedded video content (which however hasn't necessarily been playing); today, the screen froze when I tried to open a website made entirely with Flash.

Although it could be just a coincidence, I believe this issue first appeared when I updated Snow Leopard to 10.6.6 via Software Update alongside some other pending updates, including as far as I recall one for Safari 5. The update process appeared to have gone well at the time, though, and was not interrupted in any way. I have never had this specific problem with the computer/screen before, though.

I've read a couple of threads here regarding very similar issues with newer MBP models than mine, in which it has been suggested that the fault may lie in a malfunctioning NVIDIA GeForce graphics card. Now I've had that replaced already once because my screen went unexpectedly completely blank after a forced reboot 1-2 years ago (I don't remember exactly), but according to my System Profiler info the card still a GeForce 8600M GT. Can it be failing again?

I've also had some kind of a RAM card failure once. As far as I understood it, one of the RAM cards had fried and was preventing the computer from starting up. I replaced the bad 1GB card with a new 2GB one and the problem was resolved. Before the computer died, there were also other symptoms, but they were not similar to these.

I'm also doing the Apple Hardware Test tomorrow. Any other suggestions, though, than the graphics card?

*Could this have to do with Flash or Safari 5?* Just hear me out. Even though my computer has frozen from watching a video in just QuickTime, Safari 5 has always been open in the background at the same time, and more likely than not with websites with "Flash" content open. And come to think of it, before I performed the Snow Leopard and Safari 5 updates, I used to have daily problems viewing Flash video in Safari 5, the video content either suddenly showing up as "Plug-in Failure" or crashing the browser; I've had both Safari 5 and the Safari 5 Flash plug-in "quit unexpectedly" countless times in the past, almost daily. Sometimes the "Plug-in Failure" could be fixed just by refreshing the browser view; at other times, Safari 5 would stop showing Flash content altogether - Flash banner ads (such as Google ads), YouTube and other Flash videos, everything - until I quit and restarted Safari 5. BUT - since the day I updated everything via Software Update, I don't remember this happening; it never gets to "Plug-in Failure" now. Could it be worth trying to use e.g. just Firefox for a while or is there something (e.g. Adobe Flash) that I could try reinstall? Or am I just clutching at straws here?

Thanks for reading this long, long post!

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Jan 21, 2011 6:21 PM

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Jun 24, 2011 2:03 AM in response to ojbravo

Hi all,


Just installed the 10.6.8 update. During the installation of the update the screen started flickering. Then after 20 seconds the screen came back ! This has NEVER happend before, when the flicker starts the system will freeze up. Could it be that the update has a fix. I will post back later when I have stress tested the system for a while.


I really hope this update has a hidden fix for the flicker/freeze issue !

Jun 24, 2011 12:07 PM in response to kjellfromsandefjord

Update:


Today I decided to take this issue to the extreme. I removed the logic board and did what is called "baking the macbook pro". In other words I put it into the oven at 175 celsius for 8,5 minutes. (Just google it and you will find videos and articles). Then I reassembled the computer and guess what, IT WORKED !! the flicker/freeze is totally gone.


Conclusion:

The soldering of the GPU is bad, so this means that there is nothing wrong with the chip itself. The issue is the assembly of the logic board and I am guessing here but I think also the fact that the GPU gets very very very warm when doing heavy graphical tasks. PS! I do NOT encurage people to do this as the possebility of totaly bricking the hardware is VERY high. However I think Apple needs to admit that this is a hadware issue and replace these logicboards at no cost no matter the age of the computer wether it is under warranty or not.

There is NO WAY the customer is to blame for this !!


Apple: Please do not delete my post !

Jul 1, 2011 7:48 AM in response to kjellfromsandefjord

@ all


Had a similar problem on my MacBook Pro (A1226 late 2007). The screen started to flicker and then the system froze up after 10.6.5 update. Also, the system got really hot, although both fans were working. It got worse and worse and eventually the MacBook wouldn't start neither from the HD nor the DVD...


Luckily I always have two accounts on all my Macs, an admin which I don't normally use and a Standard user account. I managed to boot admin in safe mode, deleted my user account and was then able to start up from system DVD. It still took 5 or 6 tries to make a clean install, because the system would freeze up. I decided to downgrade to 10.5, installed all updates to 10.5.8. and - voila - the system is up and running and doesn't heat up at all. I have it running for 6 hrs now and the CPU is stillaround 100º.

One peculiar detail. Before the new install the system told me the battery was practically dead, now I have 45% health, which gives me almost 2 hrs. Maybe there's a clue? Also I switched off keyboard illumination, as the keyboard was flickering randomly as well. For now it seems to be alright. Good luck to everybody!


btw: Apple Store tech told me the logic board would have to be changed.... and suggested buying a new MacBook instead. Thanks for the advice, Apple!

Jul 2, 2011 7:05 AM in response to Sandra_

I have a 2007 MBP and it started the flicker with 10.6.7 upgrade and 10.6.8 did not stop it. What did is removing flash player and silverlight from my Mac applications folder and never using them again. It has not happened since and would reliably flicker and freeze after I used either of these. Ironically to recover from a flicker freeze I could not just do a hard restart, it would stall on reboot every time as many as six times in a row!. Instiead, it would require that I use bootcamp, log onto the Windows side of the partition in which it would fail once requiring a hard restart and check routine and ask if I wanted to start windows normally. It would then boot up windows and I could close out and restart to Mac. This is reproducable every time! The machine will run flash and silverlight from windows fine, however, if I immediatly restart to Mac from windows after using one of these two (flash or silverlight) my Mac will flicker freeze! Then I must again restart to windows from bootcamp, freeze once, repair, hard restart to windows after the check routine and everything is fine. However if I reboot to windows to windows after using flash or silverlight in windows and then go to Mac everything is fine. Very strange indeed!

Jul 13, 2011 11:52 PM in response to Sandra_

I've had exactly this problem. I've uninstalled Flash player and it seems to be coping OK - I first noticed the problem while playing Flash based games but it got worse to the point that I couldn't start up unless I was in safe mode.


I've also freed up a lot of hard disk space which can only have helped matters.


I'm off to see a genius today to see what they say. I suspect it may be something to do with the known graphics card problem - http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377

Jul 14, 2011 5:11 AM in response to Sandra_

After having this exact issue for a number of weeks, uninstalling programs, and doing a clean install, I finally ran the Apple Hardware Test (insert original disk and boot up while holding down the "d" button). I ran the short test (which took about 3 minutes) and it immediately came back with the following:


Alert! Apple Hardware Test has detected an error.


4VDC / 1 / 40000003: VideoController


I took this to the Genius Bar and they ran their own graphics test. It passed the first test and then failed the second test. The Genius said he had seen the issue before and that it was some kind of harward conflict with the OS and that the solution was to replace the logic board. Though this didn't make sense to me (replacing the logic board for what seemed like a driver / software conflict), it was covered under the Nvidia Recall and was no cost to me. So I had them do it.


It has been about three weeks and everything has been working fine. No issues at all. Playing DVDs, importing photos to iPhoto, internet surfing... No issues. Let's hope me posting this doesn't jinx me! 🙂

Jul 22, 2011 6:54 AM in response to ojbravo

ojbravo your advice was spot on! I did just what you said with the hardware test and got the exact same error code. I took the computer into an Apple store and the Genius ran his test on it with his NVIDIA test box. The first time he tested it right after start up it passed. However, we let the computer run for a few minutes and it failed on a second try. This is consistent with how it failed at home too. The computer always ran fine for a few minutes each time after I was able to recover it through various restarts; it would always fail within about fifteen minutes with the typical "flicker and freeze" particularly if Flash or Silverlight was used. Anyway NVIDIA replaced the card at no charge and so far so good. My computer is 3.5 years since date of purchase; this replacement recall is only good for 4 years from date of purchase. (Yea! it failed under recall warranty!) As an added bonus my computer runs quieter and faster! The fan is no longer running like a jet airplane taking off and images load 3-4 times faster. This was well worth the time and very little effort to fix. I hope my luck holds and things continue to run well. Thanks to Apple for a no hassle exchange on my machine parts. They really did stand behind their product. The cost of the new board was $900 on the receipt of which zero was billed to me. (Yea, score one for me!)

Aug 4, 2011 1:23 AM in response to manytentacles

Update on this... I took it in to see a genius who told me it was my hard drive dying so they replaced it, only to find it was actually the known NVIDIA problem so replaced the logic board under warranty - plus I insisted they put my old hard drive back in and didn't charge me as I didn't believe it was actually a problem at.


So I'd suggest anyone with this problem insists an Apple repair person tests the graphics chip.

Oct 13, 2011 11:18 AM in response to Sandra_

Same issue ... while watching video, screen flickers, then freezes on my 2008 MacBook Pro 15". Unlike others, I have not been able to re-boot. Took the computer to the (un)Genius bar, was told it was hard disk issue. Scared the **** out of me. Got it replaced by purchasing the hard disk at Memory Express for $60 for 500GB instead of the 250GB that Apple offered to replace for $180. Excellent DIY videos on youtube. The problem appeared to go away only to see it re-emerge. Was able to access my old hard drive without any issues by tethering Target disk from another computer. So hard disk did not appear to be the issue.

In reading others symptoms, mine was identical. Somehwat peeved that Apple staff would conclude and diagnose rather quickly for the problemt to be hard disk. How many people would simply choose to replace the machine rather than pursue and get Apple staff to actually read their own http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2377 directives. This is a known issue!


Well, I am going back to the Apple store and get them to replace the NVIDIA graphic processor.

MacBook Pro screen flickers and freezes after Snow Leopard/Safari 5 updates

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