Looks like no one’s replied in a while. To start the conversation again, simply ask a new question.

Level 1

25 points

Sony HDR-TD10 and MVC Formatting

Is anyone here familiar with the new Sony MVC / 3D format? I am unable to find anything specific in the discussions or via an Internet search. It is my understanding that the new Sony HDR-TD10 records in this format, and the software
(PMB / 3D) is not supported in Mac OS X. I am aware of the formats as they apply to 2D, but not 3D, to avoid any confusion.

Does anyone know if the 3D footage can even be downloaded and stored (not edited) via Final Cut Pro for possible future editing when a conversion or editing solution becomes available?

Thanks in advance.

Max

G5, Mac OS X (10.5.5)

Posted on Mar 8, 2011 7:50 PM

63 replies

Mar 18, 2012 10:17 AM in response to therandyzone

Thanks for all that info Randy! As that data rate range falls well within the range of Gtech Raid eSATA, this could work for me, as my principal workflow is ProRes 422HQ.

I could not find system requirements (only its own specs) for the Decklink HD Extreme 3D, and I am using a Macpro dual core 2.66 ghz, 5 gb ram. As the actual transcoding is taking place on the video card in my understanding, this should be adequate for handling real time transfer. What are your thoughts/experience with the MacPro specs running the Decklink Extreme?

Mar 18, 2012 10:47 AM in response to marten berkman

Marten, here's the info from BMD's Desktop Video manual -

Your Computer's System Requirements

UltraStudio, DeckLink, Multibridge and Intensity are all designed to work with the highest quality uncompressed video. This high quality is exciting but also very demanding for your computer and disk storage. We recommend the following minimum computer system configurations.

All platforms require a minimum of 4 GB of RAM for SD, HD and 2K video. PCIe x1 lane cards should work in any slot. PCIe x4 lane cards require a x4 lane or faster PCI Express slot.

Mac OS X

Desktop Video software runs on the latest Snow Leopard and Lion versions of Mac OS X. An Intel-based Mac Pro computer is required if your Blackmagic video hardware connects to the computer via a PCI Express slot.

An Intel-based Mac computer with a Thunderbolt™ port and cable are required if your Blackmagic video hardware connects to the computer via Thunderbolt.

*******

I'm running an 8-core 2.8Ghz MacPro with 18GB RAM. The more RAM the better! Hope that helps -

Randy

Mar 18, 2012 11:36 AM in response to therandyzone

Thanks Randy!

It is remarkable as per Hollenkamp's request, that Sony has not developed an interface for Mac users...they would probably sell a lot more cameras...

thanks again.

Mar 19, 2012 11:42 PM in response to therandyzone

Hello,

well yesterday i connect a USB FAT MINI HD to the Camera ... but it did not show up... The camera say all time connecting but nothing happend...

hmmm also was not possible to get a cable mini usb to mini usb.

How did u connect the HD with a USB Hub ?

Woud love to have it run like you did... don't want to use Windows only to mount the File System...

**** that there is no driver out there... MacFuse ? but we have to know what kind of filesystem is used by the Cam. Than maybe we can take a MacFuse Port to mount the Filesystem on Mac and we are much more happy with it....

Thank you all here for your Info's

feels better if you are not alone...

Stefan

Louis XIV Author

Level 1

25 points

Mar 23, 2012 2:00 PM in response to Louis XIV

My aforementioned possible solution and linked failed.

Although the software worked for converting the HDR-TD10 files to other formats (nicely done), it does not provide a conversion "to" a readable 3D codex.

So, back to square one unless you want use the expensive, time-consuming and overly complicated methods that others have mentioned. I seriously doubt the HDR-TD10 format will become the consumer or semi-pro codex for future cameras given the non-existent or limited Apple editing capabilities.

empal444

Level 1

0 points

Apr 10, 2012 7:37 PM in response to Louis XIV

Not sure if this is useful, but just my experience. I had great expectations for the TD20, just fresh off the shelf. The box says 'works with PS3', which it doesn't in 3D, even confirmed by Sony, so my problems began!

After trawling through the web I finally came up with a real mix of solutions. I have Sony Vegas Movie HD Platimum 11, but this does not recognise the files from TD20. It sees the camera, but no files show up. So I'm forced to import from the camera to the PC with Playmemories, then Vegas will see the files. From Vegas I immediately export the project in 3D (side by side) at best quality. From there I go to iMovie and edit etc. Not the best solution, but the only affordable one I have found as an amateur.

Sony is truly losing it.

Apr 12, 2012 4:14 PM in response to empal444

Another option for doing 3D on a mac has just appeared, and it appears to be fully compatible with the MP4(MVC) full frame codec of the JVC camera, as well as the Sony camera, GoPro, and Panasonic Cameras. It is called EDIUS 6.5. Apparently is is going to be shown at the NAB meeting next week at a workshop. Although it is designed to work on a PC, it has been qualified to work on a MAC using parallels 7 or boot camp.

check out this link:

http://3dguy.tv/exclusive-grass-valley-edius-3d-training/

It was created by a company called Grass Valley. Their mantra is that this software can edit anything, so it gets you out of the Video NIghtmare of codec incompatibilities that you get with some of the other 3D video editors.

The sofware does cost $699, however, but if easy 3D is important to you it might be worth it. It is even capable of editing 4K 3D files, which have four times the number of pixels as 1080p.

Apr 12, 2012 4:31 PM in response to Louis XIV

check out this link:

http://3dguy.tv/exclusive-grass-valley-edius-3d-training/

The sofware does cost $699, however, but if easy 3D is important to you it might be worth it. It is even capable of editing 4K 3D files, which have four times the number of pixels as 1080p.

Louis XIV Author

Level 1

25 points

Apr 16, 2012 9:54 PM in response to Louis XIV

If someone can test this software and post the results it would be appreciated.

There have been numerous claims of new software working with the files but none have worked 100% yet on a Mac. I am not sure the Mac system can edit the files at all and so far, the conversions are not pretty, e.g., they take forever or have sound / frame / file, etc., issues.

Louis XIV Author

Level 1

25 points

Apr 16, 2012 10:00 PM in response to Louis XIV

Just looked at the site... not all that impressed.

Someone posted:

"Although it is designed to work on a PC, it has been qualified to work on a MAC using parallels 7 or boot camp."

I seriously doubt it will work as noted. If it's desiged for PC then it's PC software not Apple. I see no notes that it has actully worked, or how.

May 25, 2012 1:05 AM in response to Louis XIV

Hello,

well i just tryed everything i could get on Mac to convert the **** MVC files....

@ this writing there is nooo Mac Software solution available to work with the 3D MVC files!

So the cheapest option is to use MAGIX Video deluxe 18 MX Plus & Bootcamp Windows.

You have to import the files and then export it Side by Side to WMV in highest Quality.

Then on Mac i use Flip4Mac & Quicktime or Compressor to convert the files to Apple Pro Res and

import the files in FCP / X.... Quality is surprising Good compared to the original Files in MVC Container.... you can check it with VLC Player ! :-) only 2D image but that's fine....

The Best Solution is Mac only and also posted above by Randy...

Use the Black Magic Extrem 3D and capture the Stuff direct from the Camera with the Software you want ( Premiere, FCP / X or Blackmagic Recorder etc.)

You get the Best Quality Possible & compatible with present & future Cameras and you have many other benifit's...

The other Windows Solution are also worse... Crashes and incompatibilities ... also the Sony Solution with Vegas is not optimal and Crashes frequently... Premiere or Avid on Windows can not read the files at all... so and the MVC to AVI Converter doesn't work too because it can not read the files ...

well thank you all for the comments and keep the tread updated if you find a better solution.

... a start could be a App that can split the MVC file in 2 seperate files

.... than we could convert it to Pro Res...

cheers,

Stefan

Jul 18, 2012 11:44 PM in response to therandyzone

hey there randyzone,

I finally had a chance to transcode from TD10 directly to drive via BM decklink extreme, on a mac pro with very good specs. (I believe quadcore with 2.8 ghz and 8 gb RAM)

for some reason, the files produced have issues:

intermittent streaks through picture

the pro res 422 HQ left and right video files are half the length, playback twice the speed...and checking frame rate in QT inspector, it is 30.02 fps. never seen that before.

did you have any such issues when using the decklink card?

Jul 19, 2012 5:28 PM in response to marten berkman

Hi, Marten -

Sorry to hear you're having difficulties...

I have to report that I've never had such issues; it's always performed flawlessly. My guess is that if you're trying to capture on a single drive, it's just not going to happen. I'm using an 8-drive RAID array; remember that you're capturing two full HD streams simultaneously, and the bandwidth just won't be there unless you're using a RAID.

Good luck!

Jul 20, 2012 1:42 AM in response to therandyzone

Of course! What was I thinking? Will try that....thanks!

Louis XIV Author

Level 1

25 points

Aug 1, 2012 6:50 PM in response to marten berkman

While we are all waiting for a solution to the Apple 3D / HDR-TD10 issue, does anyone out there know what the file structure for the HDR-TD10 footage is?

I notice when I have saved files to a hard drive, there are the following folders.

Main folder = ACCHD = AVF_INFO folder (some locked folders) and MODELCFG.IND (program)

Clicking on the ACCHD folder = BDMV

The BDMV folder contacins:

CLIPINF which contains files listed, for example 00009.CPI

INDEX.BDM and MOVIEOBJ.BDM (programs?)

PLAYLIST = 00000.MPL (for example)

STREAM = 00000.MTS (for example)

Does anyone know if these files can ever be "rereconstituted" back into 3D someday, or is the only way to save the 3D file structure intact is to keep them on the camera?

I know the .MTS files can be converted into 2D with some editing conversion software, but I'm not sure where the 3D data is located? I believee the camera saves the files as MVC? So is there a way to get them back to a MVC format? Or is that even needed?

Thanks.

Sony HDR-TD10 and MVC Formatting