Final Cut Pro X

I guess that as Apple has told the world about FCP 10 then (basic) questions can be asked....

1) Do you still need to (officially) transcode into Quicktime? or will it handle say DVCPro HD natively?
2) Is there upgrade pricing or does everyone pay $299 regardless
3) A video I saw had the presenter refer to FCP 10... if I'm using the latest which is 7 where did 8 & 9 go?
Cheers

HVXser

Message was edited by: hvxuser

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Posted on Apr 13, 2011 3:28 AM

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Apr 17, 2011 10:17 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Tom W. commented that he thought the policy regarding software licensing was available at the App Store Help section. I found nothing that discussed what FCP X might be like in terms of digital rights management, the need to authorize and the ability to install or uninstall repeatedly as needed. It would not surprise me if that information is not available but Tom's comment implied that something might point to that. If anyone has any direct url's it would be appreciated. As long as I can uninstall this and re-install this at will without the hassle's and potential "failure" of the software because of "too many" uninstalls like Adobe apps, I'll be fine with the change. I expect to be able to buy it for use on my MacPro, reinstall it on my next computer...ad naseum. If Apple goes to a drm/limited authorization policy I won't touch it for the same reason I have never bought a drm song and will never pay for another Adobe Photoshop or Creative Suite app again. The new abilities sound great and I am looking forward to using it but am quite curious and disappointed at the download only limitation.

Apr 17, 2011 10:35 AM in response to digibudII

I think the terms of the App Store specify that you can deauthorize and reauthorize computers. This is not FCP X specific, but standard for all applications it delivers.


There is currently no uninstall/reinstall limit on Apple applications. If the application is removed from an authorized computer it can be downloaded from the App Store again. There is no specification for any limitation on this.

Apr 17, 2011 10:53 AM in response to hvxuser

Here are some my main concerns:


-I did not see a Viewer nor did they say anything about opting for one.


-I hope you can still hit in and out points before inserting clips in the Timeline. A click and drag system would be very imprecise and just plain difficult.


-I want complete manual control of the Timeline. I want to be able to delink any audio from any video. Is that possible in this new software?


-I want to turn off snapping in the Timeline. I might just want to leave a gap between clips.


-Will there be muliclip editing?


-As a download, will I get all the production music and loops that come with FCS?


-DVD authoring with Blu-ray support. Blu-ray looks awesome. If you have shot HD and authored a Blu-ray disc then you know how great it looks. Unless you're delivering to a network, it's the best way to get the most out of the video you shot with your expensive HD camera. What's the point of buying a camera and making sure it has great specs if you then have to compress it down to where it contains about 5 percent of the original detail.


There is NOTHING on iTunes, Netflix or any other place that will look as good as Blu-ray. The only exception is if you have an HD antenna on your roof that's connected to a 1080p HDTV that's at least 50".

Apr 17, 2011 11:35 AM in response to BenB

Just so you know, I was at the SuperMeet, seated beside a Certified Apple Trainer of some regard.


We spent a certain amount of time wondering if the presenters had spent any time with their own manual for previous versions of the Final Cut Pro application. It appeared that they had no idea that many of the things they were extolling that you could "never do before", actually, you could, if you knew what you were doing. But then we started wondering if they were taking away things that we could do before, but they had no idea were part of anybody's workflow, since they did not actually seem to be completely familiar with the original app, or had taken the time to fully explore its more subtle capabilities. Its just what it looked like, is all I'm sayin'. But very, very few people have ever spent any time with the FCP manual, anyway. Look up what "Command-C" does, I dare you.


It was almost as if this program were being introduced into a world where no one had ever edited before.

Having had a few days to think about it and reading a lot of hysterical speculation, some of it my own... True, "X" is very much like the iMovie interface, and like it or not, this is the way things are headed. Its what all the schoolchildren are learning, I've had to haul the thing (iMovie) out on many occasions to help my daughter finish her little videos that she was doing with her school chums. In fact, it does things that FCP prior to X can't do, at least with the consumer codecs that the smart phones make. Mostly because FCP has (at least up until now) an enormous Achilles' heel with its core processing all taking place in Quicktime. That had to change, and it apparently has. "X" will be great, maybe even invincible, for projects that have arrived, unheralded, in edit, with no planning, no script, no continuity, no notes, no slates, in a few words, student films and news. Those few who have actually blocked their work might not find it particularly advantageous to have all their source material categorized like iPhoto, but, as it is, all the digital origination file names are ridiculously anonymous, anyway. A007_XYZ_89049.R3D anyone? Take a guess whether that's a Wide or a **?


I very much welcome the notion that the foundation has been utterly revised -- although at this point, I still have no idea whether it will handle field dominance or 2:3 24/30 cadence properly. All I know is that right up until the last version of FCP, it has not. Whether this justifies completely changing the process-of-editing remains to be seen.


Concern from this viewpoint is that "On-Line" is a very big part of my operation -- I do have to worry about all those broadcast deliverables, which if it is not part of your business is irrelevant -- but I'm not 100% sure that the major networks are going to start accepting H264 files because, oh, sure, we'll overlook all that closed captioning, Dolby E, described video, 59.94i, surround sound stuff because Apple says nah, you don't really need all that. And besides, we (APPLE) never said that FCP was an end-to-end application -- we really think it should be a creative off-line solution and you should take your project to a "big house" --> an attitude/opinion which actually IS in their manual. I'll give you a page number if you don't believe me. What is a mystery at this point, is whether a "big" house is going to be able to make sense of whatever it is that X is able to export.


Don't pay any attention to the price. If you think that's a big number, it baffles me. And OTOH, if you think the number is too small, I'm sure Apple has their reasons -- remember on an offered number of 2 million licenses, and climbing, in current circulation, even if less than half of those (legitimate) installations buy the new application, they are laughing, I can hear the high-pitched evil mwah-ha-ha cackling already. Volume, volume, volume.


All that we know for sure is that Apple has snapped the development cycle and core processing for FCP as we know it, and what we have seen of "X", just the UI, is square one of a different approach -- the first day of the rest of our lives. At face value, it looks like a so-called "four walls" application, and maybe that's who its for, and that would cover a lot of people. The wailing and gnashing of teeth w.r.t. going outside the app for a utility like COLOR just seems to have overwhelmed the need for sophistication, especially when the vast majority of users are satisfied with an auto-match and maybe a user shape secondary. Actual color correction is beyond the skill set of the majority of humanity, who certainly won't invest in the correct asset mix to make it work, anyway, and that's not an opinion -- that's experiential observation. If you can do it, you're already in an exclusive club, and you're going to be able to overcome whatever perceived limitations that X might bring.


I know I will be downloading it to my laptop for sure. If it makes for a quick offline and can be uploaded to an online for grade and finishing for broadcast delivery, great. If not, that's what competition is for.


jPo

Apr 17, 2011 11:47 AM in response to cjd1234

You saw the Viewer, but now it's dynamic like the Timeline. We saw all of that in the demo. They can change to show what you're specifically working on. "Dynamic" makes them "more powerful and flexible". The way "digital" authoring should be.


What makes you think we won't be abel to do I/O points? Where is the evidence of that?


They showed you have more control over media in the Timeline than you do now, that was blatantly clear. Link, unlink, etc. What evidence did you see to indicate otherwise?


Snapping, yep, we all love it on and off, and why would that not be there?


Um, right, Apple drops multiclip editing. And it's snowing in Hawaii right now.


Music and loops come with SoundTrack Pro specifically. When you look at the installation DVD's, they are labled "SoundTrack Pro Media" and "Motion Media" and "DVD Studio Pro Media" from what I remember. Final Cut Pro, Cinema Tools, and Color themselves never came with "media".


I actually do find (and some engineering tests show) that downloads can be better quality than Blu-ray. Depends on your player, your TV set. I never use Blu-ray, but burn them for others in FCP 7, Motion 4, and Compressor 3.5 often right now. There is no evidence what so ever that Blu-ray has been ignored.


Someone said they showed us what FCP already does, yep, they showed us how it does that BETTER. It was NOT exacxtly what/how it's done now. It's done easier and better. Nesting and keyframing motions are what you were talking about, specifically. And as a Master Trainer who's taugh across the country, and editors from major neworks myself, what I saw was a great improvement over how we do those "now". GREAT improvement indeed.


BTW, I teach people to do color grading monthly, and I think most people are VERY capable of doing it with proper training. To reach a very high level of achievement takes years of training your eye. The tools, basic workflow, and getting good quality work for broadcast and indie films is easy to learn.

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