Final Cut Pro X

I'd say read Phillip's reivew. Dead on.

http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/04/what-are-my-thoughts-on-final-cut-pro-x/

All of these questions and more will be answered June. If they are not answered to your satisfaction you shouldn't buy the product. Vote with your wallet.

BenB, you keep asking for evidence that FCPX does not do something. I'm asking for evidence to prove what it actually does. Don't assume.

There is no I/O in iMovie and the FCPX demo only displayed evidence of a click and drag system. Perhaps there will be I/O and all the other functions that make our jobs easier and more flexible. But we don't know yet, do we?. Don't assume.

Everybody here should start acting like a consumer and not like people who worship at the Apple Altar. I thought the Oprah show-style hooping and hollering at the demo was sort of embarrassing.

As much as anybody, I hope FCPX will be bigger, better and more powerful than ever. But, in my opinion, there are many red flags. If enough people express concern to a company they will listen, even Apple. Remember, they're not perfect, as Steve Jobs himself said when addressing the iPhone antenna issue.

So I hope people will keep asking questions. And, of course, when something is great, compliments should be also expressed.

Click and drag system? Not was I saw at the SuperMeet. Red Flags? There's none at all. The show was embarrasing? I didn't see that. Do you really think Apple would cripple a product that brutally dominates the NLE market? I saw nothing to insight the fears you express.

I'm stunned. First that Apple bit the bullet and decided to throw the whole idea up into the air, grabbing back the bits that need to continue, then re-orchestrating and especially re-ergonomic-ing everything into a new idea.

To listen to some, you'd think that as soon as FC X hit the street, all their previous experience would instantly become obsolete, throwing their children's education, lunch money and mortgage into serious poverty.

But only a small minority is showing the same enthusiasm that the crowd did on the Sneak Peek. Those were the big editors of our industry screaming and dancing. Many of them tied one on that night in celebration.

From what I've seen, this program is as big, bold, important and future-winning as Apple has indicated. I'd wager that it can do everything -- EVERYTHING --- that FC 7 does today, plus, plus, plus.

To read between the lines from many of the posts here, I visualize a Frankenstein's Monster cursing, "Pretty Graphics: BADDDD!" as if more obvious visualization was the root of all evil.

There are those who will insist forever that drag-and-drop is the sissy way to edit, ignoring how intuitive and affirming it is to reach out and touch a clip, then virtually plop it where it makes sense. A cyber-version of physical reality.

But that's the Apple way. On-screen type styles. What you see is what you're doing. Make a change and see the result without waiting for it. Turn the word "ergonomic" into a meaningful concept.

Remember all those folks who poo-poohed NLE over working with the oh, so much more organic feel of real film and liquid splicing?

I haven't heard from them recently.

Sure, there will be the users who spend their three Benjis and assume that's all it took to become an editor. Same as now with FC Express. And there were those who thought that as soon as they got a laser printer, they didn't need a secretary any more. Some of those moments will cost real editors a job or two. But having FCX in your computer will probably win you a job or seven on the plus side.

Editing is not "knowing the keystrokes." It is knowing why this shot of this length with these audio cues fits this experience flow at this moment, communicating this idea to that viewer. The priesthood of keystrokes is likely to have to learn a few new tricks, but isn't that always the case with any upgrade?

The only place where FC X could go bad would be if something like a whole bunch of capabilities went away.

I hope they've done a similar treatment to Motion...

I'm just one video editor, that over the years has spent over $250,000 on Mac and on Final Cut Studio software.

If. Final Cut X is not what we want, we will take our money elsewhere. I will not be the only one who will do this.

If we want to do simple edits we can use iMovie 11. We want to create, when we edited. We do not want to limited, to what is buildt into the software. We need to know now what we are going to get for $299.00.

I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me, that this is only going to be an HD Pro version of iMovie 11.

I would like to know if Apple has allowed other editord use of the "X" version other then those who our in Steves back pocket. Has Apple let Noise Industrites or Core Melt see if their 3rd party software will work with this?

We (other editors) have spent Millions of $$$ with Apple, I(we) do not want a semi-pro version of iMovie 11. We want a Suite that will make those using other video editing software convert to Apple, not the other way around.

This could be a turning point, for Apple, and it's share holders, don't drop the ball. If you don't, you might lose more then Millions of $$$, you may lose consumers, who have iPhones, IPad's and iPod's.

When the iPod came around, there had been devices like it that did the same thing. iPod simplified those functions, made it more powerful, more flexible, did MORE, yet was MUCH more simple to use. And everyone freaked out and said Apple shot itself in the foot making what already exists and isn't selling well. Same when they took away 3.5 inch floppys for CD/DVD readers/burners, same when they put Firewire on all their machines and took away serial ports. Same when they came out with the iPhone. iPad is supposed to have flopped and been overrun by the compitition.

Final Cut Studio today costs $999, that's $199.80 for each of the five apps you get with it. So we're already $100.80 ahead of the pricing curve.

I will stand by my statement that not one single thing Apple has said or shown indicates in any way we will be missing features, functions, or getting anything less than a fully professional applicaiton. Let's also reamember that the first half of the demo is missing from most online videos, too! Where they said "Final Cut Pro X is a fully professional NLE." And that's a "red flag"? When Apple actually said in the first 20 minutes of the presentation that FCP X would be as professionla of an app as it always has been? Does anyone but me remember, or see that? I'm reviewing my own video footage I took, and yep, it's there. They say it's as professional as ever. But I guess that's a red flag, cause I didn't see an "Export" option in a "File" menu. That MUST mean it doesn't exist! OMG! Duck And Cover!

What are the red flags? An interface where the Timeline becomes dynamic and gives us more access to more power more easily than any other NLE alive? We don't see a totally useless and PITA Viewer window, but work directly on individual clips right off the Timeline, saving us TONS of time and confusion? How many times does someone work on a clip in the Viewer, only to realise it's not the right "copy", and they didn't effect the copy in the Sequence? As a trainer with years of experience teaching across the country, LOTS! Good ridence to the Viewer! It was a paridigm that SUCKED!

Did anyone see the marketing charts Apple showed? Do you think the brutal dominance they bragged about is something they would be stupid enough to fluch down the toilet? Is that their track record? No, it's not! So where are the red flags? What is the evidence to worry?

iMovie interface? NO! Some features of the iMovie interface that are GOOD to have, but compare the two, there are MAJOR differences. Compare what Apple shows, with what is in iMovie, MAJOR differences. I saw FCP X do things only an idiot would waste time developing for a cosumer app like iMovie. FCP X has all the markings of a really fully professional app. I will come back to this thread in June, and we'll see who's fears were founded, and who's anticipation was earned. Until then, there's no evidence that this won't have I/O, In/Out points, etc, etc, etc. There's not one single shread of evidence that this will be anything less than FCP 7 with TONS more and more and more and easier and more powerful and more flexible and faster. I'd still like someone to show me ONE PEICE OF EVIDICE that FCP X will be a consumer product. One piece of solid, factual evidence. Where is it?

Show me ONE example of Apple being so stupid to trash an app that burally dominates the market, and has done since 2003. One example, please. Show me ONE piece of evidence that FCP X is less than a 100 per cent professional product? Cause you "didn't" see something? Hey, I didn't see an app icon on a desktop during the demo, so maybe I should be afraid I can't actually "launch" it? LOL! Give me a break. Apple ain't stupid, they have a proven track record, I won't lose sleep over what some nay sayer wants Apple to fail over in their fantasies.

Continue to drum up unfounded fantasies of what would be totally the opposite of anything Apple has ever done before. I'm out of this discussion. I'll stick to the facts, what I saw and heard actually being there, and Apple's track record. You guys have fun! I'll be back on this specific thread in June, and we'll talk facts then. Until then, you nay sayers have your day. You faithfull, I am very confident you'll be plesantly suprised.

LOL.

Yo' whippin yo'self into a right ol' frenzy here Asstin. Is that a Louisana thang?

Chill out somewhat, old bean.

BenB wrote:

Show me ONE example of Apple being so stupid to trash an app that burally dominates the market, and has done since 2003. ?

The killing of Shake, the dropped features of QuicktimeX, and even the removal of features/change of UI in iMovie 08 that caused a uproar with it's userbase.

It is interesting that there are no "mark in/out" and "go to in/out" buttons shown in the interface pics so far released.

I agree...final cut x will be the best....bar none!!!

BenB wrote:

...snip...Show me ONE piece of evidence that FCP X is less than a 100 per cent professional product?

No tape support. No support for capture of dailies, offline/proxy editing - recapture of selects transfer (online). EDL generation.

Those are features that a true professional editing application must have. If they do not, this professional will have to stay with FCP 7 and/or find other solutions.

Patrick

Dear Ben B

If you have knoweldge, of what Final Cut X is going to be, then tell us, otherwise.........

P.S. Apple almost killed Final Cut a couple yrs ago, if I was not for a major up roar,

it would have been. The users were told by Steve Jobs, that he would keep supporting

it and make it better. Well, it will either be, he keeps his word, or not. He also said, they would

try to get shake put into Final Cut Pro.

Steve is more interested in consumers produces, because of the profit made from hardware items.

Software, is different.

FYI I first met both Steve's back in the late 70's, and again in the early 80's. Both times in Cupertino.

BenB wrote:

What are the red flags? An interface where the Timeline becomes dynamic and gives us more access to more power more easily than any other NLE alive? We don't see a totally useless and PITA Viewer window, but work directly on individual clips right off the Timeline, saving us TONS of time and confusion? How many times does someone work on a clip in the Viewer, only to realise it's not the right "copy", and they didn't effect the copy in the Sequence? As a trainer with years of experience teaching across the country, LOTS! Good ridence to the Viewer! It was a paridigm that SUCKED!

Yes! I'm glad someone has finally listened to all the complaints from editors over the last 20+ years calling for the removal of the source viewer from editing software!

Wow. Just checked in for the first time in ages to see what the community thought about FCPX. Seems like many have been hitting the bottle of Jumping to Conclusions pretty heavily, followed by too many shots of Mad Overreaction. You really think that because they didn't demo the Remove Two Characters from Mad Men feature, that it isn't in the final software realease?

Liking the new support groups thing though...

Is that list confirmed, or just a rumor? I can't imagine no tape injestion...but most of us have moved on anyway - no? - with tools like CatDV and others... Offline editing and EDL generation could be a problem however. Yikes. Are there 3rd party tools for that? Personally, I would hate to give up FCP for say an Avid (we just switched a few years back).

But the screen shots that are out there on the web from the FCPUG demo sure look cool!