Final Cut Pro X

William Kucharski wrote:
If Apple goes to a more iMovie-like interface, they already know many people dislike that which is why they continued to leave the old timeline-based iMovie available for download for quite awhile.

No professional will accept selecting a block of video to edit by selecting it with the mouse - you need to be able to specify in and out points to the FRAME and have a way to enter it by hand.

Just one example.

did you watch the presentation? i believe all the precision is still there, in fact in terms of audio the precision is at the sample level not frame so that would seem to be quite an improvement in my eyes.

Paul Cuciti wrote:
Not exactly to my point, Ian.

i'm not a big fan of hiding behind a wall of voodoo (interface, in this case), but even the world's best editing system is useless without projects, and the the more idiot-proof FCP gets, the less producers will want to hire experienced editors. We're all looking at a shrinking market.

I should stop to ask here; where is the best clearinghouse for facts about this upgrade? I would have thought Apple would have this on the front page - maybe below the fold.

I'm an independent filmmaker, I never once sought out a "professional" in all the years I've been using final cut studio (2007). Having a newer' easier, version of FCP doesn't change anything for "professionals." those that want to hire one will still do that. I do everything in my studio house, so I don't have to hire other people. Final Cut Pro, Motion, and Soundtrack Pro are the apps I use the most in the Suite. It's not that hard to self teach yourself how they work, so like I said, those that are currently hiring others will still hire them.

ubernaut wrote:
did you watch the presentation? i believe all the precision is still there, in fact in terms of audio the precision is at the sample level not frame so that would seem to be quite an improvement in my eyes.

Right - I was just giving an example.

I think it's hard to give a real feel for the new application until we know more except for the fact that I don't foresee studios and edit houses wanting to click "Buy" in the App Store to setup their edit bays. 😟

Otherwise I'm willing to wait and see what goodies they give us.

Not being able to setup a multi-monitor interface is going to be problematic, though, at least for me…

Funniest thread today!

William Kucharski wrote:

ubernaut wrote:
did you watch the presentation? i believe all the precision is still there, in fact in terms of audio the precision is at the sample level not frame so that would seem to be quite an improvement in my eyes.

Right - I was just giving an example.

I think it's hard to give a real feel for the new application until we know more except for the fact that I don't foresee studios and edit houses wanting to click "Buy" in the App Store to setup their edit bays. 😟

well no doubt there has been a pattern of combining pro/server and consumer stuff at apple lately. the app store is bound to be way more tied into the os in Lion as are the typical server related functions. its possible the second rev of the app store will support multiple seat licenses and distribution given these facts.

welcome to the age of entitlement.

I agree.

What is maddening is the argument that FCPX will take business away from the professionals.

In this business, you generally get what you pay for.

And for any one who watched the several boot legged videos of the presentation OR worked in iMovie, they would know that there are very good precision editors in both iMovie and FCPX.

It appears that much of Color is folded into FCPX, and some of the STP as well.

An interface is intended to provide the best, most intuitive access to tools and workflow. From what I've seen, there has been change, and as I watch the Ubillos presentation repeatedly, the workflow makes sense and the interface UI facilitates it.

Thanks for the link, Doody. It is helpful. I like a lot of features mentioned.

And you folks are right, I shouldn't blame it all on the app. But you know how it goes...AUTO-THIS and AUTO-THAT and before you know it my grandmother will be a video editor.

Not sure you assume there will be any other products.

If you think it's too much you should stick with FCS 2009.

David S. wrote:
What is maddening is the argument that FCPX will take business away from the professionals.

Paul Cuciti wrote:
But you know how it goes...AUTO-THIS and AUTO-THAT and before you know it my grandmother will be a video editor.

I think you both are missing the point I made above. Those that are too lazy to do their own editing, will continue to hire other people. You seem to worry that FCPX will put you out of business, but guess what... video editing "pros" has technically never been required.

I'm not trying to put you down, I understand video editing requires a lot of time and energy, however where there is a will there is a way. Even back when people used actual filmstock, "amateurs" have been able to edit it. In fact, the very first filmmakers were amateurs; way back before filming was considered a legitimate business. Back in the late 1890s when film cameras first started to be produced.

So, I will say it again, there is NO need to fear your job is going away. People WILL STILL HIRE YOU. America is the land of lazy people, and those people will still hire you, like they always have!

Making Final Cut Pro easier to use, does NOT mean you're out of a job. Just chill.

Whichever version was first called FCP HD.

Seems a fair price to me. Not sure what you would consider fair for a complete rewrite of an application from its basic code through the entire interface.

"America is the land of lazy people, and those people will still hire you, like they always have!"

So, producers who hire dozens of editors on network shows (Idol, CSIs, Modern Family, etc...) are lazy because they don't do their own editing?

"video editing "pros" has technically never been required."

Tell that to Michael Kahn, Dylan Tichenor and Thelma Schoonmaker. I bet when JJ Abrams is hiring an editor he says, "get me someone to edit, doesn't need to be a pro, just a monkey who presses the buttons in Final Cut Pro..."



pJ

You know, these threads are getting as funny as those in the iphone forum when it was first introduced-- they crashed the forums.

Apple is gonna do what Apple is gonna do.

All you've got to do is take a look at youtube-- the best and the worst. A tool is a tool. It's who is using it that matters.

Doody wrote:
"America is the land of lazy people, and those people will still hire you, like they always have!"

So, producers who hire dozens of editors on network shows (Idol, CSIs, Modern Family, etc...) are lazy because they don't do their own editing?

"video editing "pros" has technically never been required."

Tell that to Michael Kahn, Dylan Tichenor and Thelma Schoonmaker. I bet when JJ Abrams is hiring an editor he says, "get me someone to edit, doesn't need to be a pro, just a monkey who presses the buttons in Final Cut Pro..."



pJ

You're taking what I said out of context. But yes, anyone with the knowhow can edit. The literal definition of a professional, is someone thar gets paid. You could be a skilled editor, with years of experience, but work for yourself (thus not be paid by another person).

Like I said, I do my own editing. I sell the videos I make, but I take payment as the director of said film. Technically that makes me an "amateur" at editing (since I don't take a paycheck for 'editor'). Yet, I'm sure I could work along side any of you "pros"

Also, when I said you took my words out of context, these other people were worried they'd lose their jobs to "grandma" — and granny is not going to be working with a team of people on a giant tv studio.

I was referring mostly to people making movies (hence why you took my words out of context). If Hitchcock wanted to, he could have been his own editor, but he didn't want to be tied to a studio all day, so he let others do it.

If you're going to comment on what I say, don't take my words out of context. Not once did I ever reference tv shows, but I referenced movies several times my comments. That was your first clue that you were taking my words out of context. Please refrain from doing that again.

I believe there is some confusion about the meaning of professional versus skilled editors.

There are plenty of professional editors that aren't skilled, and plenty of skilled editors that are not professional.

I don't see any issue with a computer providing a starting point or point of reference for basic tasks.

Anyone can start there, are turn off anything automatic.

That fact that the option exists makes FCP X more versatile than some other editing apps I've seen.

Interestingly, I see some of the iMovie interface elements a little daunting compare to FCP 7.

But as I use it more, I see Ubillos's influence and have say much of it seems to make sense.