So you cant update the 2nd Generation ipod touch anymore?

You can have 2 versions available but most developers will avoid this like the plague as the costs and complextiy on their end increases dramatically. Plus it is ALWAYS a good idea to have a local backup of any app that you have.

You can also sync 2 devices to one computer and not have the issue of which apps go to which device: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1495.

You can also write to the developers of the apps you use and ask them to keep multiple versions availabie.

Maybe I wasn't clear.

I understand that having two versions costs money. I have no clue how some apps make money and I don't care. But I'm fairly certain it involves me downloading and using the app. If it won't work on my device, I won't download it, and I won't use it. That costs money too.

Local backups. Of course it's a good idea to back up. But some apps will not work even if the older version is downloaded and the current version deleted. So backups are good in some cases and irrelevant in others.

Sure you can have two devices syncing differently. But unless users are using their own Apple id and account, each syncs to the same iTunes files. I haven't tried it the other way but I'd be surprised if one account could maintain an old app and the other a new one, but there's an idea to try for those willing to submit to the pain.

But that's certainly not the old philosophy, "it just works."

No, you were clear. But it isn't up to Apple to maintain all the 3rd party apps it is up to those developers. If they don't chose to there really isn't anything any of us can do except buy a new device or find another app. This is true in Linux, Windows, OS X, iOS, Android, Windows Mobile, etc. It is a fact of life with computing devices.

You could actually read the link before opining, but that is probably too much to ask. It appears you just want to rant you don't want actual solutions. Before you move on to another computer company be sure to do research of service, warranty and customer service. I believe HP is currently rated number 2 in all those categories, you might want to start with them.

". But it isn't up to Apple to maintain all the 3rd party apps it is up to those developers. If they don't chose to there really isn't anything any of us can do except buy a new device or find another app."

- Yes it is not up to apple to maintain all the 3rd party apps. (coding, customer service, etc)

- It is up to apple to have the last version available for your iOS. Apple just doesnt want to. If they wanted they would allow you to send me your app to my device (the free ones). Nop the solution: "Buy a new one". Apple controls apple store and itunes. Why apple doesnt allow let's say amazon to have the app available to download from their website, why do i have to go to itunes, log in and download it.

I wrote to my apps developers, Apple blocks them.

Well sorry to say, but the only reason "buying a new one" is the only solution is because apple does not care about customer satisfaction via means of comforting them. The main goal was, and always will be, make the next best thing while selling it for more than it is worth.

And to everyone else, do not let the apple fanboys fool you. Those apple hipsters using their fafsa money to buy "the next best thing" are only apple apologists... with no real proof that apple products are better than everything else. All the proof is flawed in that they used crap products, instead of the high end devices, to formulate their answers as to why apple is "better."

THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR YOUR DEVICES. We have to accept that; either we blow another $300+, or make our own devices. Of course, we can go to other companies.
Best thing to do is to really make your research, and find out what device suits you best, and the knowledge over the history of the company is very important too.
Recently, i bought an itouch 5g for my younger sister. 300 dollars for it. I dont think it's worth it, as i could have found something MUCH better. But she wanted that one, so i got her that one. It all comes down to "what we really want." Also, are we okay with the downsides?

Apple has the prettiest, sexiest devices. but they are NOT the best.

I agree. I bought an Apple II back in the 80's and it won't update to OSX 10.8.2

They are such a rip off. Apple is so bad.

how can you compare 30 years to 3 years?
not to mention, it wasn't even a full 3 years till a device lost support.

You do realize that almost all other mobile or computing companies refuse to support their products longer then a year right? 3 years is pretty good in comparison. Can you name a company that has supported a mobile device longer then three years? Besides what's the point in being able to update a device if you can't use it? The specifications on a device can only support the every growing need for power that apps and games need. Be lucky you didn't get a windows phone. Even less then a years support out of them.

The reason people are getting mad is because their devices have been rendered useless....

Problems with windows?
You mentioned computers...
Microsoft started from that horrendous dos.. but that horrendous dos can be upgraded all the way to 7. You cannot do that with any apple devices. What you get is what you have for that year.

The beautiful thing about microsoft is that their devices are backwards compatible.. and that is why people are angry. They lost everything all because of a stupid update. No one is asking for a new update.. No one is asking for a new anything, they just want returned what was formerly theirs. Everything they paid to have.

Really? Upgrading DOS to 7? I would love to see you running a PC with a Pentium 120 with maybe lets say 32 MB of ram, which would have about right back then, running windows 7. Remember no GPU for you either. I understand the problem but people should really read. The compatible devices and OS requirements are stated. However it's usually up to the developer to state this. Not Apple.

I agree. I have an iTouch gen 2 (MB model) which was running just fine on 3.* but the constant harassment of iTunes to update to the latest software pushed me over the edge and I did so. We you all know what happens. Now I'm in total limbo, unable to use the newer versions of the Kindle app, the iBooks app (ironic since the first message I got after upgrade to 4.2 was a message inviting me to download the newer iBooks app which, of course, doesn't run under 4.2) and 80% of the other apps I was using and which worked at one time under 4.2 but now are no longer avilable anywhere. I understand Apple's drive to lock down their market and *force* people to purchase the latest hardware in order to keep little Chinese children employed, but a simple advisory message warning people their apps might no longer work after upgrade would have been more than helpful.

I also own a Samsung Media Player 5 which runs Gungerbread, an older version of Android. All the apps work, they can be updated, if you need an older version of something, it's readily available, just as easy to use, much more flexible. So when my iPhone 4 is no longer supported is there any doubt which way I'll jump? New iPhone (needing, of course, different cables, etc.) or an Android phone? Apple is confusing tightening their eco-system with innovation.

As far as the comparison with Microsoft, mentioned above, backward compatibility is a big plus, yes, but more importantly is the much more open system that provides avenues for independent developers to write code that helps people adapt to the changes.

Obviously the hardware will present horrible difficulties.. but it can be done. Change the hardware, easy is that. You cannot do that with apple without voiding some stupid warranty in their tiny little "fine print."

And whether the developer does or does not state it, apps update themselves at times. Aside from that, why would one be allowed to update an app they wont be able to use afterwards?
one cannot even DOWNLOAD an app that their device can't use...

No

Most of us dont want to upgrade our operating system ( u can see analogies between PS3 and PS1 gamses in previous posts).

Well because u like to compare with 30 years old devices i will give you a 30y old comparision...

I have an ATARI... all i want is to play my ATARI games... i dont want the new PS3 games... I dont care about the upgrades in the new PS3... I just want to be able to go to a yard sale and buy those old ATARI game... And i dont want ATARI to make me buy PS3 games (or upgrade apps in this matter) and then saying oooh too bad u upgrade your games to PS3, they dont work on atari, i am sorry i never said that now as a solution buy a PS3.

Support. I do not want support from them... Also you can see in lasts posts about customer care and stuff and reasons why i am not longer a client for a ipod touch but i am still a client for my oooold ipod 160G.. recently a bit of a discussion of apple blokcing apps developters and not letting them release the old apps. Dont you think that companies like amazon dont want to sell books thorugh Kindle to me?? they dont care i have a gen2 itouch. They just want to sell books (the only reason of why i have an itouch)

So please dont come telling that 80s bad joke about upgrading to a recent system. It is more than obvious that we cant, the hardware is so different now, the new apps ask for more memory, processor stuff, special hdw like GPS, etc etc. We dont want the new ones.

The name of this topic was that becasue I believe that like me the guy just couldnt believe it was possible, he thought it was an error, he didnt get why all the apps he had stopped working because he upgraded them ask itunes suggested.

So well that will be it... any more comments or analogies about using an old system and wanting to upgraded to a new one, please read some of the old posts because that is stuff already discussed.

You didn't really solve anything, you simply stated that "The iPod will still function, and you can sync and use it as you have been." Well what proof do you have of that? Because what we are saying here is that iTunes will not let even the most basic functions sync onto perfectly working iTouches.

At the basis of this, I own a MP3 player. Now I can't even put music on to it anymore because the latest update of iTunes doesn't allow for that to happen. That's a dirty trick that Apple is playing here because they made their technology too good the first time that I haven't needed to buy a new iPod for almost 5 years now and they miss my money. They would have had to consiously take out the technology that adapts with 2nd Gen iTouches so that it no longer lets even basic functions be executed.

This is gouging and I'm very unhappy about this. I guess I'm going to have to go back to burning CDs from my iTunes anytime I get any new music. Might at well dig up my old Hello Kitty walkmen while I'm at it so I can listen to something at the gym.

What MP3 player do you have that used to sync with iTunes?

All iPod Touches will continue to sync music with iTunes 11.