Lion OS X 10.7 and Quicken 2007

Too lazy to get off their back side.

Now all of a sudden they are claiming they will have a Lion version readu if the spring. My guess is it will be the spring of 2014 maybe.

Allan

I can think of some reasons it might be hard, any of which would indicate really poor programming practices. First is that they have some PPC architecture dependent code, such as the NUXI (byte-order) difference between PPC and Intel. Another is some addressing problem within the qdata file itself. A third reason might be that the whole application is poorly written and hard to factor. It needs to be made perfectly compatible, including idiosyncracies and, yes, even bug-compatible. However, I hope it is not any of those reasons, but rather, just that they have not had a team to work on it.

I am in the same position, been on Quicken and have records dating back to the early 1990's. When looking for an alternative I downloaded iBank 4 and SEE. I exported and imported to both programs and SEE went smoother although there were a few glitches I had to fix that took me about one day which I thought was pretty good considering the massive amount of data and investment material I imported. iBank was much worse but I managed a couple work arounds.

After getting them up and running I ran them side by side for a month or so, posting everything to all three programs (a total pain). I soon learned that iBank wasn't for me mainly because of their reports. Not even close to Quicken 2007. I need detailed reports to prepare my taxes and iBank just couldn't produce them.

Side note.. I believe that even though Q2007 is going on 6 years old it is STILL ahead of anything on the market if you are looking at the complete package (loan tracking, investment tracking, doing taxes, online bill pay.. etc, etc.) Nothing comes close in my opinion, even with all the times I've cursed it out.

So I dumped iBank (but it is a nice program) and continued to this date with Quicken and SEE. I needed to complete 2011 with Quicken so I could prepare my taxes so yes, I posted everything to both. I like SEE and it has run within pennies on ALL calculations compared to Q2007. It doesn't really have any glitches that I've found but it is FAR from a complete package. The developers are very good and very fast at answering questions and they are very open to taking requests for future improvements. They even admit, it isn't a Beta but it still has a long way to go because it still isn't even version 1.0. They are keeping it under version 1.0 until they are ready for the full blown release, that is why you can't find it in the App Store.

SEE is a VERY powerful program and will complete with any as they progress with the development. Don't think there are any BUGS, I really haven't found any, it doesn't crash and runs very smooth. It just isn't complete. I don't know how else to say it. It needs some fine tuning, a few more strategically placed buttons and the reports, which are VERY customizable, need to be a easier to produce. It is Lion compatible and ready to go. It is a very complex program that will continue to grow. For the price ($29.99 when I purchased it) I told them they aren't charging enough.

Bottom line (with a LOT of thought since running them side by side for over 6 months). I still like Quicken better. Maybe it is because I've run it for all these years and know it inside and out.. but, that being the case I would stick with Quicken 2007. I recently got audited for my state taxes. Using Q2007 I went back and pulled up all my records and it was so simple. Having to do this on another program would have been impossible considering the reports I needed. I made up my mind right then to stick with Quicken as long as I could.

My thoughts are this. Intuit is a huge company. It turns out so many programs (Turbo Tax, Windows, etc) each year there is no reason they can't continue to bring Quicken up to date and keep it there, especially since so many Macs are being sold now a days. I would pay big money for a "complete and up to date" program that works !! I agree (and blamed Intuit every year) for bringing out an update that basically did nothing. Lots of software companies do this, FileMaker is the worst and their updates run a couple hundred dollars every time.

At least Intuit only charged around $35.00 for their upgrades.

I was ready to run Quicken 2007 on an alternate Mac so I could continue using it, still might, I have it all set up. It is a total pain but so be it.

I just ran across this link the other day and was very surprised. Everyone should go there and post their email address to SHOW Intuit that we want them to produce and continue to upgrade Quicken for Mac

Here is the link.. http://quicken.intuit.com/support/help/lion-compatible-quicken-for-mac-2007/GEN8 3769.html

The above link is to be notified by Intuit when the update/patch is ready. Numbers get results so the more people that request the notification will tell Intuit we are serious. Even if you have already switched to a different program you should sign up because we NEED alternative programs. Some need simple, some need complex but only having a couple choices is not good. Competition will get us better programs and more choices with companies that won't be here today and gone tomorrow. Intuit isn't going away, they are to big. SEE will be a good competitor but they have a lot of work to do (which they admit) before it is complete.

Post your email and let's see what Intuit delivers. The more people that sign up the more Intuit will realize they have a market for a good program, not the unmitigated disaster they gave us with Quicken Essentials.

Just my two cents..

William.. I totally agree and Intuit is as big or bigger than all of them. Having used most of Adobe's programs for many years I know they weren't happy about having to rewrite their code for Mac but they did and now we have MUCH better programs as a result. I have never purchased an update or version jump from Adobe that is under $150.00 and usually close to $200.00, but IMHO all of them are well worth the cost.. they add wonderful improvements to their programs so the cost is well worth the upgrade.. or you can stay with the older version.

I'd be willing to bet that just PhotoShop alone was 10 times the job to rewrite than what Quicken for Mac would be.

As I mentioned in another post, FileMaker and Quickbooks for Mac are a total rip off. Their yearly updates basically add NOTHING and they aren't cheap. I'm still running FileMaker 7 on my Intel MacPro and will have to make the choice to upgrade or not when I go to Lion. I like the program and have also used it for many years so the choice will be tough not to spend the money.

I have been using CheckbookPro from Splasm Software. It seems to be working fine for me. I only use it for personal accounts, but they offer much more. Has anyone had experience with this app? I think it might work for some "was-a-Quicken-user-until-they-dumped us" person. It's pretty user friendly.

Chris,

Thanks for this link:

http://quicken.intuit.com/support/help/lion-compatible-quicken-for-mac-2007/GEN8 3769.html

I just signed up to be notified. This is fantastic news for me, if Quicken will actually follow through in a timely manner.

If their past releases are any indication, I am betting you will not see until spring of 2014 at the earliest.

Don't hold your breath.

It will most likely be a sad crip of a release on top of that. So far the only thing they think Mac users are good for is paying them for nothing.

I don't care if this new release it the greatest thing ever, I refuse to go back to Intuit ever.

Allan

Allen,

Everything you say is true. Unfortunately, I am so married to Quicken and especially the reporting capability that I am willing to sell my soul and buy an "updated" version for full price if it does nothing new except run under Lion. I am guessing that this is basically what Intuit is counting on... squeezing more blood from the Mac community and offering very little in return. I have tried all of the alternate accounting programs and they all fall short of my needs in the reporting department.

Same here. But I am an optimist and think maybe the number of installed Mac users will drive Intuit to a better place. My real point in posting is to caution Quicken users NOT apply the latest Apple update. It breaks most printing functions apparently dependent on Rosetta. Lots of chatter on the web.

Frank O\'Neil wrote:

My real point in posting is to caution Quicken users NOT apply the latest Apple update. It breaks most printing functions apparently dependent on Rosetta.

Do you mean "Security Update 2012-001 for Snow Leopard"? I doubt you mean OS X 10.7, which broke Rosetta by removing it.

Correct. The 2/1/12 update to 10.6.x breaks most printing. Documented with regard to Quicken2K7

and I wish I had seen your warning BEFORE I did the update. Just finished hand writing a batch of Quicken checks. Oh joy. I hope this is straightened out sooner rather than later.

I had another issue using Quicken 2007 after this security update. Now when I try to import a .QFX file in Quicken to update my bank accounts, it promply crashes....ARRRRG!

Any way to undo this update?

Any Ideas?

William Bennett1 wrote:

Sarcasm mode fully enabled here: Lessee, what would be a more difficult job... writing code to make a finantial program (Quicken) run in Lion, which correct me if I am wrong... is basic arithmetic and record keeping, or making a image manipulation program (Photoshop) run in Lion? Adobe didn't seem to have any problem making a very very complex application run in Lion, so I can't see why it would be so bloody difficult for Intuit to write an application do arithmetic and record keeping.... but that's just me...

Because Intuit don't care too, obviously they can, they just haven't.

I made my first comment in this discussion last July.

My suggestion...switch to iBank.

After more than 10 years of Quicken - a great product with poor Mac support - I gritted my teeth & made the move January 1st...& am I ever glad I did!

Because it is different, it takes a while...but once you are into it, you will really appreciate this program

And the support - direct from the iBank team - is superb! They really care for the Mac persons out there.

The Forums are helpful but not as good as direct contact - usually by email in my case - with the Support Team.

My contacts with Intuit Support - especially up here in Canada - were inevitably frustrating.

I am glad to have left them behind!

...John