Clam Down...Apple says missing features coming soon.

I am sorry that all the "pros" are over reacting to the release of FCPX. Instead of being civil they have been quite rude and dumb. If all you guys clam down a second and read the news you would know that almost every single missing pro feature for FCPX will become availible via update rather soon. Apple and several news outlets have made this very clear. SDI, EDL, XML. All those features are coming very soon. Maybe they should not have released it so soon, for that they might deserve a bit of scorn, but the stuid ranting needs to stop. You people are supposed to be professionals and you are acting like children.


Complain away as much as you want. Demand the features we need. But try doing so in a way that doesn't make you come off looking like and a@@.

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Posted on Jun 21, 2011 11:43 AM

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Jun 23, 2011 2:49 AM in response to Rosco188

Rosco188 wrote:


huh? "solve everything?"

you've got imovie running through your veins i guess.

this is great for a wedding photographer & down the road maybe even "pro" editors but it's just not final cut pro anymore. if apple would just admit that it'd be a great start.

Well, maybe "everything" was an overstatement (is that even possible?) But I DEFINITELY don't have iMovie in my veins (or maybe I do if I like the interface?). I love FCP 7, and I am liking the FCP X interface. Sure, it looks like iMovie, but honestly I don't care and it doesn't really matter that it looks like iMovie anyways.

Jun 23, 2011 2:59 AM in response to LukeW

Would you like Boeing or Airbus to do that in the plane that take you to your holiday destination.


Here it is dear airline the lovely new 747, costs about 30% less its awesome!!! Woooohoooo!!! awesome awesome awesome.


The captain flies the plane and in mid air notices that his fuel-gauge is gone, (calls boeing owe that will come in the next overhaule! It will be awesome awesome awesome)

The captain lands the plane and realizes that the vital component the thrust reversers are not on there. Boeing says: "No worries, they will come, we don't know when but they will come! Its gonna look Awesome!" Until then the only thing you can do his keep it in the hangar and look at it.

Jun 23, 2011 3:20 AM in response to Rosco188

Rosco188 wrote:


i am saying that because apple released it under the name final cut pro but it only opens imovie projects.

FCPX doesn't even open final cut pro projects. are you not seeing that?

I think the reason it opens up iMovie projects is because they are both built on the same foundation (which I think is Quartz Composer?)


Although I definitely admit, opening up FCP X for the first time and seeing "Import iMovie Projects" as the first thing you see is pretty disappointing. Thankfully, it only appears once (as far as I've seen so far, anyways)


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Jun 23, 2011 7:12 AM in response to Narvon

hi,


i think this report is simply repeating what Larry Jordan has stated on his blog. But its all hearsay and conjecture until apple state what their plans are. The reasons why the 'professionals' are getting so heated, and why we won't clam down ( you patronising t w a t) is that you can't possibly base a business, its future needs and capital outlay of equipment based on conjecture and wishing. None of us mind learning new software, but if the software just doesnt do what we NEED it to do now, and we have no guarantee it ever will, we be forced to leap to another bit of kit. Its just business. And we might as well do that now, than wait a year and then have to do it. A sad day, but i guess the writings been on the wall for a long time, I just didnt want to read it.


This mess could be fixed if we had a projected timeline from apple. I'm sure few of us want to give up on years of investment in this software.


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Jun 23, 2011 7:20 AM in response to Eric333

Eric333 wrote:


R&B wrote:


Let's be very clear about one thing:


Apple has not had merely since the April meet-up in Las Vegas to get this release ready.

They've had since 2008 to get it ready.


It ain't ready.


1. No way to set the Scratch Disc. Which means there's no way to assign everything for a single project to go into one project folder. This makes porting a project to another facility a nightmare. It also makes media management after a project is finished virtually impossible. How do you delete all the files pertaining to a particular project if they're all mixed together with the files of every other project? Ridiculous.


2. No way to export OMF files. Q: How do you do audio sweetening? A: You can't.


3. No XML export options.


4. Where are the third party effects plug-ins? Hmmmmm?


5. No multi-cam support.


Look, I'm not complaining. I suspect all of these issues will be addressed. In fact, I'm not yet completely convinced that some of these things aren't already built into this release, but are just hidden from obvious view (obvious, at least, to those who knew where to look for them in the previous version). But with no explanation from Final Cut, and no tutorials available, we're left to spend the next week reading the effing manual.


As if we have time for that.


http://www.rippletraining.com/categories/final-cut-studio-courses/final-cut-pro- products/final-cut-pro-10-core-training.html


That's the answer to your training. Also, media management is insanely better in FCP X than FCP 7. Follow the tutorial. It is extremely helpful. It explains everything and it all makes sense.


A quick rundown of how media management works:


No more capture scratch. It now goes under "Final Cut Events" folder, which can designated to any drive. In this sense, it is almost identical to how Avid manages its files. "Projects" are more like sequences, and sequences do not exist anymore.


Also, I have no doubt that the other things will come in due time. For now, stick with FCP 7 for those missing features. You were editing just fine before FCP X came out, so what's the difference?


Again, watch the tutorials. Spend the $40 bucks. You won't regret it. I was stumped on FCP X too. But the tutorials explain EVERYTHING and it all makes total sense


Message was edited by: Eric333

Insanely better? More like an insane waste of time!!! With FCP 7 I go to the HD I want and create a folder for my video project. Everything about that project is stored in that folder. The FCP project, the scratch folder, all of it. When I am completely done with the project, and have mastered and archived it, I can just delete that folder on my media drive, and that's it. And I can take that one folder and burn it to a 50 gb blue ray disc or a portable drive for long term storage. If I ever need to work on my project again, it's all in that one folder.


With FCPX you're saying that I would have to go to the "Final Cut Events" folder and hunt and peck to delete the files like I used to with Avid? What a huge waste of time.


No more sequences? That's a horrible Idea!!! I have projects where I will produce several different videos for the same client using a lot of the same material, graphics, music, interviews and such.


In FCP 7 I create a new project, gather all my source material in one project, and edit 4 or 5 videos from that source material using different sequences. Now you're telling me with FCPX I have to create a new project and re-gather all of my material every time I want to create a separate video??? Am I understanding what you are saying correctly? If I am, THAT'S A HUGE WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!! Time is one thing an editor never has enough of.

Jun 23, 2011 7:39 AM in response to Eric333

Eric333 wrote:


Rosco188 wrote:


i am saying that because apple released it under the name final cut pro but it only opens imovie projects.

FCPX doesn't even open final cut pro projects. are you not seeing that?

I think the reason it opens up iMovie projects is because they are both built on the same foundation (which I think is Quartz Composer?)


Although I definitely admit, opening up FCP X for the first time and seeing "Import iMovie Projects" as the first thing you see is pretty disappointing. Thankfully, it only appears once (as far as I've seen so far, anyways)


Message was edited by: Eric333

Ok, still it supposed to be "Final Cut Pro" and it won't work with Final Cut Pro Projects? From a code stand point it makes sense that if it is built from the same code that it would be able to work from imovie. But from a user standpoint, it's completely insane that it's not backwards compatible with previous versions of Final Cut Pro.


And it's very telling to all of us that it was built on the same source code as imovie, as to what their intent is here.

Jun 23, 2011 7:41 AM in response to Sjazbec

Sjazbec wrote:


FCX as well as iMovie 11 uses QuickTime X for conversion,rendering and output. FC 7 and Express 4 as well as "classic iMovie" uses QuickTime 7.


QuickTime X is limited and only supports a subset of QT7 features.


That's why FC X and iMovie 11 are best suited to output for Apple iDevices and youtube..

And that makes sense if your output method is apple devices. What if your output is broadcast television, commercials, or a Movie Screen? Then you're very handicapped.

Jun 23, 2011 7:50 AM in response to LukeW

I personally like this article at http://kino-eye.com/2011/06/23/final-cut-pro-x-my-first-impressions/?utm_source= feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kino-eye+%28Kino-Eye.com%29



They have done huge damage to the brand among professionals, but they also bring excitement and sizzle to the entry-level editor. They are the future. Apple is betting on them. When it comes to shareholder value and market share, there is no room or nostalgia and catering to the old ways. Leave the pros in the dust, their days are numbered. That’s the message I hear through Apple’s actions. They can say they support professionals, but their actions say otherwise, and as Aristotle reminds us in The Poetics, character is revealed through action. It’s clear that the future lies in tens of millions of individual editors, not in tens of thousands of professional editors.

This is exactly how I feel about this, and how the rest of of Pros feel, and the companies that have such a huge investment in the previous program, including servers and final cut server, and a huge investment in plug-ins that may never work with this again.


If you are one of those of those happy individual editors, I am happy for you, and go edit, but don't try and disparage us pros who are rightfully angry since the program that is how we make a living has been OEL'ed and there is no proof that Apple cares or is planning to do anything about it.

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