Clam Down...Apple says missing features coming soon.

Why is this worthy of the equivalent of a full blown temper tantrum again?

Do we have to do this again?

Please read the rest of this forum.

Personally I think the furor over "Pro" is stupid.

The problem is that previously, pro meant suitable for use oin the majority of film and broadcast workflows which still to this day require things like EDLs and integration with HD-SDI monitors and HDCAM/DigiBeta tape. They have totally dropped that pro market with this and opted for a different "pro" market.

Apple has stated (as they have) that the missing features are coming

Please link us to the official statement from Apple themselves regarding this?

The mere fact that people are denouncing it outright with it being out less than 24 hours is just plain idiotic.

I took me about 5 minutes to realise that many of the daily tasks I do in FCP7 which I will now have to stick with, cannot at all (hopefully yet) be done in FCPX.

No doubt FCPX will be very popular indeed in time. But unless many things change, it will not be popular with a very large portion of the FCP7 user base who will be left behind. This is a shame, a real shame. Creating a revolution is one thing... but leaving behind a chunk of your loyalists is just bad sport.

It is clear by looking at their other movements and developments in the last few years that Apple care more about making money from the trend in prosumer activity than creating tools for the top level industry.

Add me to the list requesting a refund.

"So lets see, how "pro" is it to blindly rush into a new product and switch to it while abandoning your previous software and workflow?

Oh wait, you didn't do that and still have FCP 7? So what exactly is the problem? You might have to wait the same amount of time as if Apple hadn't released until the features you want were eventually rolled in?"

Problem is it's clunky to have to maintain two video editing packages. Can you imagine if you had to do that with all software?

Wow and what about the next version of Final Cut Pro... so then I might need to have 3 versions of video software?

The other problem is (as I detailed in much detail elsewhere) what happens when FCP7 is no longer supported? Will we all have to keep an old machine with an old OS for those times when we need to tweak an old project?

Imagine getting Office 2011 and not being able to open all your old Word 95 files.

Imagine getting Photoshop CS5 (which was also a total rebuild) and not being able to open your Photoshop 7 files.

Huge semantic issues here. If it's a new app, give it a new name. If it supersedes FCP7, then we're right to ask how long will be the support tail for these apps, and DVDSP, and Color, all of which are part of a post house's core business. Will OS X 10.7 Lion fully support FCS3? For how long? Nervous times.

When FCP7 is fully abandoned by Apple, a big switch to Adobe perhaps? I could never see any of the places I work adopting FCPx, it just doesn't do what we need it to do.

The biggest shame is that for many years the core FCP community has been waiting patiently for 64bit processing, and when it finally arrives it's in the form of FCPx. What a huge disappointment.

@ James M.

So very true!! a real shame.

Great call on the 64 bit.

Apple : I will gladly pay $300 for you to simply make FCP 7 64bit, call it Final Cut Pro 8

and continue support through Lion for years to come.

I think that what the prosumers don't understand but the professionals are only too aware of is that this kind of release is really damaging to the reputation of fcp and to their users. It was hard enough to get staunch avid houses to even look at fcp, it still is. This release unfortunately plays right into their hands, they will take one look at the missing features and laugh us out of the building. Regardless of whether these features are coming, or whether technically its a new app, or whether it suits your tapeless workflow, or whether you can still use the old fcp 7, the damage will be done. Time will tell, but I think professionals will find it harder to say I cut in FCP and be taken seriously. Maybe in a year or so fcpx will be rocking the world, but can i wait that long. I can still use fcp7 but then I'm behind the game compared to other editors using other software. Its not an easy task to simply stop using fcp and buy an avid. There are huge cost implications, not to mention having to learn whole new workflows, paradigms, and all the extra bits and pieces you need. Professionals feel let down. We've been waiting for a meaningful upgrade since fcp 5, and got a slap in the face instead. Better communication would have helped, with at least an indication of a roadmap for the future. FCPX will get better, of that there is no doubt, but the release campaign has been a shambles.

ps not enjoying the magnetic timeline for cutting a 30 music bed. Must read manual, must read manual

adam

Looks like many of the people here are relatively new to this job and never had to do with rewriting of products. The simple fact that FCP7 isn't affected by this release and is available to continue working as usual is the same kind of approach Apple used to upgrade from MacOS to OSX. And is the exact same approach everybody should have before talking about switching to AVID or anything else. You have a product at a really low cost, just train on it. Use it, and stop complaining about missing things: YOU HAVE those things, on FCP7. For a relatively short time you'll have to adapt your timings, as you would have done with avery swap from a sw to another. It's just a matter to evaluate the job before: is it manageable with the new sw? Yes: you learn new things with it. No: you use FCP7. By the way: if you complain that you can no more do offline-online, then you are still using tapes (dead technology: I've never seen a tape since 2 years...) and you do not need to have a better FCP. As simple as that. Keep using FCP7, has everything you need for an offline edit.

Ale

Alessandro your view does not line up when moving from Mac OS to Mac OS X all of a sudden the keyboard didn't stop working and you suddelnly did not miss disks. That is the comparison we are complaining about!

Its like buying the Next Gen, Ford Fiesta and finding out that they removed the indicator lights and windshield wipers! What you are saying that when you are driving in your new Fiesta and it starts to rain that you need to stop and get into your old one. Apparently you have not install FCP (ahum) X and played with it!

Did FCP7 stopped working?

What I'm saying is tha you should be able to evaluate the job and decide if it is something you can manage wit a sw or another. I do not see any strange thing on it.

@Allesandro

"Looks like many of the people here are relatively new to this job and never had to do with rewriting of products."

Sorry but been using Final Cut Pro since v.1

been doing this for over 15years.... don't think ppl complaining are new to the job as the complaints are well founded

I personally worked with nearly everything since 21 years, not just FCP. Starting from AVA3 through Henry and Editbox, Flame, Videocube, Stratasphere, Illusion... things you possibly never heard. I say: everytime I swapped to a new system I missed things. All I had to do was to evaluate the job and decide if it was good to be made on a system instead of another. The first Flame had to load 3 mins at a time passing through A60 Abekas disks because it was not able to load directly from tapes what the simplest ADO was altready managing 6 RS422. So what?

No but that's besides the point!

Why sell something as the successor of a product that can do more. Isn't it normal in evolution that we progress?