Hi Folks,
is it posible to use the rSAP Protocol with OS 5.0? I have an iPhone 3GS 32 GB.
Greetings from Germany
Wetzi
iPhone 3GS, iOS 4.3.2
OS 5 has not been released. As we're users here just like you, you'll have to wait for Apple to release the specifications.
do anyone know WHEN this will officially become public know-how?
If someone did, he or she would be under a non-disclosure agreement.
dear gdgmacguy, your post is no answer to my question. We all want to know WHEN and IF r SAP will be part of the OS for the iPhone.
We're all users on this forum Hans. None of us has any more access to that information than you do. Speculations are not allowed, and any "insider" who has knowledge of this issue would be prohibited from sharing it.
You will have to be patient and wait for Apple to announce the specifications of iOS 5.
gdgmacguy can NOT answer the question. We are users. Speculation is a violation of the TOS here, so we can't even guess.
That said, if you were to put a gun to my head and ask me when the iPhone will support RSAP, I'd have to say NEVER. The iPhone does NOT store data on the SIM, therefore support for RSAP would be pointless.
Never. Since the iPhone stores no data on the sim card, rSAP will never be supported.
ok, so nobody knows anything but people are saying "never" to when r SAP will be an integral part of the i OS? the thing is not any stored phone data, it's the information data on the SIM to be used by external GSM/UMTS unit in a car for example. thanks anyway
and YES, i will be patient and wait :-)
I don't think you understand... RSAP is designed to read contact/phonebook data from the SIM. Thus, the "SIM" in Remote SIM Access Protocol. The iPhone does not store ANYTHING, including contact data on the SIM. Therefore, RSAP serves no purpose on an iPhone. Even if it supports it, there is nothing there to access.
The current "standard" for accessing phonebook information from modern phones is PBAP (Phone Book Access Protocol) ... someone please slap me if my brain just fritzed on the acronym. It's been a long day watching my stock take a dump... Many, if no most, newer systems support this. It is completely automatic and does not require you to 'transfer' your contacts from the phone as RSAP does.
Like always people post responses without fully understand what they are talking about!
NOTE: RSAP DOES NOT ACCESS THE CONTACTS FROM YOUR SIM!!!!
It uses the contacts from your phone and then uploads them to the car kit
Here is simple breakdown of what rSAP really does (as posted by user Macca)...
rSAP basically "borrows" the IMEI number from your phone and uses it in its own built-in phone to get access to the mobile phone network using your number and contract. In the process it tells your phone to "shut up" meaning it turns the GSM/GPRS radio off.
The two big advantages of rSAP (as I see it) is the better signal strength achieved by using the vehicles antenna instead of the phones antenna and the increased battery life as your phone is not constantly hopping from cell to cell. The signal issue may not be a problem in some countries but here in the UK we have very varied terrain in a small area so holding a conversation whilst driving can be difficult.
This feature is available from most mobile phone manufacturers and mobile phone OS vendors including Google's Android.
It is a known fact that eventhough the iPhone is a fantastic phone it has one of the poorest GSM/GPRS reception especially in the UK. Us business users who spend alot of time in our cars require to use the iPhone with the best GSM/GPRS reception and hence require a feature like rSAP being made available.
If Apple are looking to penetrate the business market and try to take market share from Blackberry, Nokia and Android based phones, they need to listen to us else it will always be a sophisticated phone for the consumer market only!
THANK YOU ZL UK, this is an explanation which helps!!! fully agree, rSAP is a standard and it will be the future I believe. One day even the "new world" will understand😉
ZLUK wrote:
Like always people post responses without fully understand what they are talking about!
NOTE: RSAP DOES NOT ACCESS THE CONTACTS FROM YOUR SIM!!!!
It uses the contacts from your phone and then uploads them to the car kit
Here is simple breakdown of what rSAP really does (as posted by user Macca)...
rSAP basically "borrows" the IMEI number from your phone and uses it in its own built-in phone to get access to the mobile phone network using your number and contract. In the process it tells your phone to "shut up" meaning it turns the GSM/GPRS radio off.
The two big advantages of rSAP (as I see it) is the better signal strength achieved by using the vehicles antenna instead of the phones antenna and the increased battery life as your phone is not constantly hopping from cell to cell. The signal issue may not be a problem in some countries but here in the UK we have very varied terrain in a small area so holding a conversation whilst driving can be difficult.
This feature is available from most mobile phone manufacturers and mobile phone OS vendors including Google's Android.
It is a known fact that eventhough the iPhone is a fantastic phone it has one of the poorest GSM/GPRS reception especially in the UK. Us business users who spend alot of time in our cars require to use the iPhone with the best GSM/GPRS reception and hence require a feature like rSAP being made available.
If Apple are looking to penetrate the business market and try to take market share from Blackberry, Nokia and Android based phones, they need to listen to us else it will always be a sophisticated phone for the consumer market only!
Sorry - but your statement "NOTE: RSAP DOES NOT ACCESS THE CONTACTS FROM YOUR SIM!!!!" is NOT true!
While rSAP handles a SIM card inside a mobile via Bluetooth Protocol to a car built in phone it is possible to access the data on the SIM. I am dong this with my HTC mobile and an Audi built in Bluetooth Phoneunit.
At Audi since 2008 it is possible to have access to the "normal contacts" on your mobile via the Bluetooth protocol BAP or PBAP.
While Apple has only a very restricted Bluetooth Implementation - you can use your iPhone only with HFP => Hands Free Protocoll - this is the same like a Bluetooth Headset with microfone.
I think Apple will not support rSAP, because they want to keep control of hte SIM card...
Anyway - Apple developers - if you read this => PLEASE support RSAP with iOS5!!!
Or with iOS6 or 7 or... (never?)
I agree. What I should have said is rSAP accesses contacts from your SIM but most car vendors use rSAP inconjunction with BAP/BPAP.
For example my Nokia connects to my car kit via rSAP. But I don't have any contacts saved on my SIM instead they are all saved on the phone itself. So the car kit uses BAP/PBAP to download the contacts onto the car kit.
What the iPhone requires is custom version of the rSAP protocol.
Hopefully with Mr Jobs now stepping down we might see a different focus with future iOS development and being able to integrate with third party products/solutions. How about Apple buying some of Nokia's technologies/patents or even striking a partnership?
So for now like most I'll carry on having two phones.
Bluetooth with rSAP Standard (Sim Access Profile)
