Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

Here is another take on Lions password problems from Cnet.

OS X Lion passwords can be changed by any local user

Well, I know Apple mine these discussions for consumer attitudes and problems, but what I really hope is that some of its competitors do so, too. People like you and I are caught in a bind right now - no matter how hacked off we might be, there simply isn't a decent alternative on the market.

I don't care one wit about Apple as a company, but I do love my Apple computer - on which my livelihood depends and which I use in excess of 12 hours pretty much 7 days a week. I love the quality of its build and the general aesthetic pleasantness of its design. I love the glass no-click-just-tap trackpad, (I haven't 'clicked' in 2 years and I haven't used a mouse in seven...). I love the fantastic glass display on my MBP, and until Lion, I loved the reliability, look and usability of the OS too (I still love SL!).

I've recently looked at Linux distros, and I've got Win 7 already, and frankly neither of these are even close to SL, they are a joke, minnows next to a giant. Equally, there are no hardware boxes that approach anything as good as my MBP. That means there is a HUGE hole in the market for someone else to come along and develop an intel-based machine and unix based OS that picks up where Snow Leopard left off and doesn't take the silly direction that Lion has gone in.

Oh, leave Apple to Lion and the masses of iOS users, I don't care, so long as someone else comes along and gives me a machine that has all the qualities of my MBP and an OS with all the qualities of SL. One of the biggest disappointments with Lion was that SL did need some improvements (and it will need development to keep up with future changes in both s/w and h/w), but none of those were made in Lion, and as many have said, some great features were taken away or reduced in functionality/usability.

So, big opportunity for somoene to pick up the ball that Apple has dropped.

Dansyacht wrote:

Here is another take on Lions password problems from Cnet.

OS X Lion passwords can be changed by any local user

Not reproducible. It only wrongly prompts "New password:". I created an user "fool" account and tried:

$ dscl localhost -passwd /Search/Users/fool

New Password:

Permission denied. Please enter user's old password:

passwd: DS error: eDSAuthFailed

<dscl_cmd> DS Error: -14090 (eDSAuthFailed)

I didn't check if I could get the hash table for the passwords.

All technical sites are just carbon copying the original article without even bothering to test it. Very unprofessional. Also there are no issues as long as only one account is present in the system. Which is the majority of cases. But true, this wouldn't justify such a security hole.

Also:

• Space has been replaced by Mission Control wich is much less fancy and usable.
• Front Row has disapeared.

corican wrote:

Also:

• Space has been replaced by Mission Control wich is much less fancy and usable.
• Front Row has disapeared.

At least Mission Control from the Dock let us assigning applications to a desktop on the fly. I couldn't stand the way Spaces was "working" on this subject.

Front Row can be easily replaced for free with XBMC. Pretty impressive media center. And it works with the remote control as well!!

I really wanted to like LIon, but can't see how anyone would like the new os.

it's like it was designed on an iphone and a macbook air instead of a mac pro.

the only nice thing it does is open up everything saved to last state when i shut the computer down, which since i'm on an APC, i never really use that feature.

can't print anymore. adobe's all wacked out of place. arrows are gone, scrollbars are too small. spaces.

Wish Jobs would've left the company with a better parting gift than Lion.

would recomend to a new buyer to find an old computer running tiger.

All technical sites are just carbon copying the original article without even bothering to test it. Very unprofessional.

Just like they ran Ars Technica's and the Apple-dependent commercial sites' glowing reviews of Lion without waiting even a few days to see how Lion operated, let alone how it held up. Sadly, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. We live in a media-driven age, in part thanks to Apple. It creates the bubble and then makes money in it. Caveat emptor, Michelasso.

Bob Jacobson wrote:

Just like they ran Ars Technica's and the Apple-dependent commercial sites' glowing reviews of Lion without waiting even a few days to see how Lion operated, let alone how it held up. Sadly, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. We live in a media-driven age, in part thanks to Apple. It creates the bubble and then makes money in it. Caveat emptor, Michelasso.

I beg your pardon... The Ars Technica review of Lion is a 19 pages long technical description of what it is new in Lion. The author did a tremendous job trying to examine every single detail. You may not like the final judgement he gave, but technically that review is complete, detailed and mostly correct. Obviously he meant "if working as designed" which may not be the case yet.

The best advice he gave is the following:

"The standard caveats apply about software and hardware compatibility. Don't just run out and upgrade your system as soon as you finish this review. Lion's digital distribution makes hasty upgrades even more likely. Patience! Take a few days—weeks, even—to research all of your favorite applications and make sure they all run fine on Lion. If you're still using some PowerPC applications, don't upgrade until you have replaced them with Intel-native alternatives. And before you upgrade, back up, back up, back up."

Which means that instead to complain about Ars Technica many people here would have been much better reading carefully what the author had suggested in that review..

It is fun to note how he also anticipated how "Lion's changes will no doubt meet with [...] resistance from experienced Mac users". And guess what? Even there he was right. Again!! 😀

Dansyacht wrote:

Here is another take on Lions password problems from Cnet.

OS X Lion passwords can be changed by any local user

Seems to be a hoax

I could not reproduce that issue on my Lion test system.

You can get Front Row back in Lion. Here's the link:

Front Row Enabler for Lion - Mac-Hatter Consulting, LLC.

lupunus wrote:

Dansyacht wrote:

Here is another take on Lions password problems from Cnet.

OS X Lion passwords can be changed by any local user

Seems to be a hoax

I could not reproduce that issue on my Lion test system.

That's good to hear as this was a pretty scarry article if true.

Apple Sets a High Bar

Apple’s record of customer satisfaction preeminence in the personal computer industry continues unabated in 2011, as the company adds another point to its already exceptional score. At 87 (+1%), Apple outdistances its nearest competitor by 9 points.

(Source: ACSI Press release Sep. 2011)

http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=210:acsi-sco res-september&catid=14&Itemid=265

Wow. That solves ALL the problems here in these forums.

By all means. Everyone upgrade. 😢

"The standard caveats apply about software and hardware compatibility. Don't just run out and upgrade your system as soon as you finish this review. Lion's digital distribution makes hasty upgrades even more likely. Patience! Take a few days—weeks, even—to research all of your favorite applications and make sure they all run fine on Lion. If you're still using some PowerPC applications, don't upgrade until you have replaced them with Intel-native alternatives. And before you upgrade, back up, back up, back up." [a pitch for SuperDuper]

Which means that instead to complain about Ars Technica many people here would have been much better reading carefully what the author had suggested in that review..

Unfortunately, although the author had no control over who read his article and with what care, or where it might be reprinted in abridged form, he gave a basically carte blanche recommendation to upgrade to Lion, reprinted widely (without his one-paragraph disclaimer). His only warning was to check out your PPC apps to see if they will run, which obviously they wouldn't, a condition already known and acknowleged by Apple.

To back up was not a major issue with Lion, though if you didn't, you might have problems replacing your PPC apps if you decided Lion wasn't for you. I backed up before installing, yet -- once my Air's subsequently burnt up logic board and SSDs were replaced -- expunging Lion and then reloading and debugging Snow Leopard in Lion's wake was still a day-long pain in the *** (although I came to know SL better and to appreciate it more).

Lion's major issues are not "standard caveats," they are fundamental: basic performance, usability, battery life, and whether Lion makes a difference that matters. (Not really, except to make it easier to buy apps and media products in which Apple takes a major cut, a large fortune for the shareholders that will grow larger with iCloud.) Maybe the author, having taken time to write a 19-page hosanna, should now visit this and a flock of similar forums and do a follow-up ... but that is so not like the trade press today. Get the scoop, hit and run.

Leslie Bell wrote:

Wow. That solves ALL the problems here in these forums.

Nope.

I'm afraid, unfortunately it solves not a single problem.

But, maybe it will relativize ones view by changing the viewpoint. Discussions like this one here came up on every new OS X step.

Just for example, as the most trouble people have with Lion is the WiFi thing:

Only on this Community:

10.4 tiger wifi problems site:discussions.apple.com -->> 20.400 hits

10.5 leopard wifi problems site:discussions.apple.com -->> 70.800 hits

10.6 wifi problems site:discussions.apple.com -->> 143.000 hits

And the topics after every new release read all the same ...

Rant and rave from a few thousand bees in a hive of several millions will also bring nothing on the way to solve any problems.

Instead of rant here, one may report his or her issues to Apple support or customer feedback...

here -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/

here -> https://expresslane.apple.com/GetproductgroupList.do#tab-product-cats

It will surely help a lot more to get solutions.

Only my two Cents ...

Lupunus