Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

Of you don't want to sit at home and play video games you can surf the web on your iPhone becaust everything is being taken away from the desktop computers in favor of things that work on the iPhone. Very frustrating.

Short of discontinuing the entire Macintosh line, and only making iPads, iPods, iPhones, and the like, or maybe reviving the Apple II, there's nothing Apple could possibly do that would make WinDoze worth paying The Bill.

That said, a scroll wheel mouse seems to be a fair substitute for scrollbar arrows (I just wish I could keep it from accelerating from annoyingly slow to out-of-control fast). And with running good old VPGEM on a Pentium II (or even just a 486) DOS box that's hundreds of times faster than the XT-class boxes it was designed for, I'm already quite familiar with a situation where the scrollbar arrows are there, yet completely unusable (because the folks at Digital Research, and the folks at Xerox's former Ventura Software division, never thought they'd need to control scrolling speed!)

And thankfully, my G4 "bionic desk lamp" iMac at home can't run Lion, and so is immune to its missteps.

Same here. I know I, for one, am slowly creeping away from my beloved apple. I still use my my desktop as a home server, but I've been working so much on my windows machine that it's becomeing home. I'm booting up my MacBook less and less often. Windows, for all it's many, many, MANY flaws, it at least a workable environment. And the scroll arrow thing it the deal breaker. If you use a track pad, half the time you wind up sliding horizontally. If you click in the bar you just a mile a head and if you use a scroll wheel (and by that I mean on a third party mouse, because you will never see a right click button on a useless apple mouse, let alone something as usefull as a scroll wheel) you get where you need to go and it keeps moving. Inertia I think they call it (I suspect it's a "microsoft bug" -- you know, where you have something that is obiously an error, but they just documented it and call it a 'feature.'). Terrible. I would litterally rather go back to a DOS prompt than this. Apple is sufferering in the sales department. Apple people are sticking with them, but the number of 'switchers' is way down -- as it should be. Windows is better at the moment. Good thing the iPhone is so hot, because it and the iPad are this companies only saleing point at the moment.

While I agree with your sentiments, I have an Apple mouse with a right click button and scroll wheel (Model Number A1152) and in OS 10.7.5 "inertia" only works with the trackpad and can be turned off in system preferences -> universal access -> trackpad options.

Hey pep_the_monk, I miss the arrows to scroll, too. But I _never_ thought about using the arrows on the keyboard.

What good, little hops they make. Thank you, at more than 2-years after your post here! :-)

Just to add my voice to the clamor, having just upgraded from 10.6 to 10.8 (and Word 2004 to 2011): The lack of scrollbar arrows really slows down working in Word (in which I work as an editor), because it removes the ability to scroll by a single line without moving the cursor. In Word, and no doubt in many applications, the keyboard is used to move the cursor, which is where in the text one is working, and the scroll bar is used to move the document without moving the cursor. In fact, even in something as basic as a directory listing in Finder, it is ridiculous that one can't scroll line by line except by switching from the mouse to the keyboard and only then having to highlight the item at the top or bottom of the current window. The loss of the scrollbar arrows is really my only complaint about the upgrade. But it's a big one, flabbergasting even, since it so significantly diminishes efficiency.

Let Apple know: https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

With you all the way. Also major loss of productivity in Excel. I'm still on 10.6.8 (Office 2011 package) and will hold out as long as possible. Hoping Apple sees reason on this one and fixes the problem.

HowieCarr wrote:

With you all the way. Also major loss of productivity in Excel. I'm still on 10.6.8 (Office 2011 package) and will hold out as long as possible. Hoping Apple sees reason on this one and fixes the problem.

Good Luck. This tread was started well over two years ago. Don't you think they may be back if Apple was at all considering reintroducing them? But as I said, Good Luck.

https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html for what it's worth. 😉

Cheers

Pete

Because upgrading from 10.6 hasn't yet been technically necessary, it may well be that many professional users are stuck in 10.8 only when they get a new computer. That was the case with me. So it still seems worth keeping up the clamour as more people are faced with having to move to 10.8.

Absolutly keep up the clamour. If Apple is not giving us what we want then we are doing apple a service by telling them - because their competition surely will. I used to work in televsion. There was a rough formula that every one complaint equalled 1000. That is, 999 people were annoyed, but didn't bother to contact. So if we recieved 10 complaints: we knew that was a major disaster. There are a LOT of us who are finding this GUI nearly a deal breaker, and they are going to quietly go to linux or windows. Apple, of course, would like us to quitely post to feedback, so they can keep it quite. And that is exactly why we shouldn't.

Yawn. Good Luck after this long Scott.

Pete

And thank you, my friend. Without you, this thread might be shorter.

Scott Nash wrote:

And thank you, my friend. Without you, this thread might be shorter.

You are welcome, and without you it would be dead and buried as it should be. 😉

Cheers

Pete

Anyone who thinks this is a dead issue is not listening. This is an irritation every day for people who are trying to work with precise movements. There are no mice or keyboard arrrow keys that are as sensitive as teh onscreen arrows.

A warning to all, do NOT upgrade your OS if you use the arrows. Your productivity will plummet and you will miss theme every time you open a spreadsheet or wordprocessing document or a large webpage.

It is one of Apple's major blunders. They don't make many but this one was idiocy.

Giving feedback to Apple may seem like a good idea, but since they have not yet updated the feedback page include OS X 10.8.5 in the list of operating systems, they may not be reading feedback often or at all.