Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

My Apple Mouse is sitting on a shelf. Mine did have a tiny scroll ball that was actually wonderful because you coudl go in any direction. But it stopped working after a few months.

The scroll wheel on my new Logitech mouse is much better than my old Kensington and much faster but still not as easy as the arrows. The arrows allowed more precision.

Hi MacGuffin.

My biggest objection to using the arrow keys is that they don't work with Terminal. The arrow keys are used to access previous commands, not scroll the text up or down.

Thanks for pointing out Smart Scroll, Rucio. I'll have to give them a try.

This still does not solve the problem. On a huge spreadsheet, I am trying to select multiple lines, but not all of them. I need to be able to advance one line at a time to evaluate while holding down the shift key. Arrow keys do not work for this, and cmd or shift key combo will not work. Scroll wheels or magic mouse jump multiple lines and are not nearly precise enough. There simply is not a better solution than the arrow buttons on the scroll bar.

Indeed, HowieCarr -- that remains the sad fact. And to further the attack on actual workplace use of the Mac, Mavericks replaced filename color labels with tiny dots that appear essentially in another column.

MacGuffin,

It sounds like you have the Apple mouse with the small grey scroll wheel (ball actually). This is a common problem and I fix these for people all the time. Simply turn it over onto a cloth surface (a cloth textured mouse pad works well) push down on the ball and "rub" it around vigorously in all directions. Use a good bit of downward force. Your ball should miraculously start working again.

Thank you. I tried various things but not this.

Spreadsheets or any large document that you need fine control of scrolling on without affecting selection. But, oh, yes, spreadsheets.

How this issue could have been missed in testing--and left unresolved for so long now--is beyond me.

There might be light at the end of the tunnel here. Apple is S L O W L Y getting with the program. They reversed some of their other bad - sales dept. driven changes. Save As... for example, is back (little less convinient than it was, but not much) and the horrible 'reopen every app and page' after restart still exists, but can FINALLY be easily turned off. Keep up the noise, folks. We'll get our scoll arrows back yet!

I would say it is less market driven that market guessing. Like the Classic Coke fiasco they are looking only to theiPhone market adn forgetting their base. If IMac and laptop users start switching to PCs, developers like Adobe and Microsoft will stop developing apps for Apple and even more users will switch.

I don't want a desktop computer that has all the limitations of an iPhone -- and have zerio interest in trouch screens.

I did get a new Logitech mouse that is smoother than my years old Kensington. It is better but it's not arrows. One reason is that you could hold down on an arrow and not be moving your finger. It was less distracting.

Space or SHIFT+space doesn't work in applications like Logic, etc.!

Apple's mouse is crap, I'm using a real mouse (Logitec) and a tablet.

I need the arrows back!

Scroll bar arrows dissapeared four OSXs ago. I would doubt you will see them back. But you can tell Ape at their feedback site.

Cheers

Pete

And many of us are still holding at 10.6.8 and considering switching to Windows. Apple has made it clear that they are no longer interested in the business market. Unfortunate as they had made such progress on that front in the past ten years. Oh well, it was nice having a Mac on my desk, but not worth the loss of productivity 10.7 brought.

I wouldn't hold at10.6.8 (Snow Leopard, right? I agree, that was the last OS that was as good as it's competitors) but I wouldn't totally switch either. I have a mac that is current and at Mavericks and I still enjoy it for playing. There is no doubt the Mac is STILL the superior maching for CONSUMEING media... it just ***** at creating it.

My solution? I keep my desktop mac for music, storage and backup and a networked Windows laptop for work. You can get a really cheap one for little more than a hundred bucks or so if you really search and despite its slowness and other flaws, it's still much better than the mac for actual work.

I think Apple has made the official decision that the mac will never be a serious machine and are focusing on making it a fun toy. I like to think they will chage that decision eventually (because it's obviously a bad one -- no business turns away customers) but in the mean time, use windows for work and apple for play.

Really? That word got starred out? Please replace it with 'stinks.'

I'll probably always stick to Mac for play. For the past 17 years I've had the good fortune to work at an all Mac shop. I shudder at the thought of going back to c r a p p y windows machines for my daily bread, but Apple is forcing our hands. We froze upgrades at 10.6.8 Snow Leopard, and are slowly converting to windows machines. Its a darn shame...