Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

Yes there are always a handful of peoe who cannot adapt to change, even after nearly three years. Windows may be best suited for your needs as Mavericks becomes the most downloaded OSX in history and the third without the redundant arrows. Good luck over in Windows 8.

Pete

LOL@Troll. And all they had to do was give it away for free! 😕

Progress is great, but change just for the sake of change is not progress. As demonstrated on this thread dozens of times for dozens of applications, the arrows are NOT redundant. For me it is all about productivity. If the windows machine affords greater productivity, that's where I'll go. I may be an apple fanboy, but not to the extent that I sacrifice business efficiency.

I wasn't aware that there was a way in the current scroll system that allowed you to minimum scroll without altering your selection, i.e. scrolling line-by-line through a large Excel spreadsheet with a selection that is outside the screen area.

If you could cue me in to how to do that with the current scrollbar system, I'd say that the arrows are redundant. But I don't think you can.

If they are not redundant then where are they in 10.7. 10.8 and now 10.9? You can give feedback to Apple if you wish, but as you can probably tell, all the childish ranting a of the Scott Nash's here have failed to convince them to bring them back in all the time these threads have been going. You can stay in SL or go back to Windoze. Doesn't bother anyone else. If you can't use modern OSXs then you can't. Simple. But support for old OSXs like SL has almost stopped.

As I say, tell Apple.

Cheers

Pete

I've heard there is a way to use macros in Excel to make scroll bar arrows. Might be worth googling. It's a shame we have to use Microsoft, of all people, to fix an apple flaw. But if there is a way to make a text editor with arrows, I haven't found it.

You apparently don't understand the meaning of "redundant". It's not the same as "missing". It's only redundant if there's another way to do it, and you obviously don't know what that would be because it doesn't exist.

Since I already knew it didn't exist, that would make you redundant.

Oh dear! The other way to do it is to use SL or Windows. It's your workflow, not mine. Business is still booming here in my studios, and with all the same software I have been using for a long time and....... Guess what? No arrows! Trackpads are maybe beyond you, but unbelievably easy to use!

Pete

Not sure I follow your question, but in 10.6.8 Excel (2011) use mouse to highlight one row, hold down the command key and use mouse to highlight additional non-contiguous individual rows as needed. bottom of page you want to keep scrolling but only advance one row at a time? The only way is the arrow on the scroll bar. If you use the arrow key while holding the command key you jump to the bottom of the page. if you release the command key and use the arrow key you lose your selections. Magic mouse and scroll wheels are not precise enough to advance one line at a time. When you are dealing with a spreadsheet with tens of thousands of rows of very similar data and only need to select a small portion of it that is not grouped together, not having those arrows is a game changer.

Apparently I didn't read your comment thoroughly enough, I thought you were saying it could not be done with the arrows. Now I see you were reinforcing my point. Sorry about the unecessary lesson.

Trackpads? You can't do the kind of graphics work I do with a trackpad. I've been using a stylus and tablet as a primary input for more than 20 years. Having a secondary input device on the desk is, how do you say? Redundant.

redundant |riˈdəndənt|adjectivenot or no longer needed or useful; superfluous: an appropriate use for a redundant church | many of the old skills had become redundant.• (of words or data) able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function.• Engineering(of a component) not strictly necessary to functioning but included in case of failure in another component.• chiefly Brit.(of a person) no longer employed because there is no more work available: eight permanent staff were made redundant.DERIVATIVESredundantlyadverbORIGIN late 16th cent. (in the sense ‘abundant’): from Latin redundant-‘surging up,’ from the verb redundare (see redound) .

I especially like that bit many of the old skills had become redundant

Stop whinging to us and tell Apple.

FEEDBACK http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Pete

Again, it's an Apple.com discussion board. The more posts you make here telling people to shut up about the arrows, the more activity there is on the thread and the more it increases the possibility that an Apple employee checks into it. So please, keep responding.

Pete

Your Stuff --> Preferences --> Email notification prefs --> switch all to off.

That way when adults discuss, we won't interrupt Elmo's World.

Hmmmm, seeing this tread was only recently started ( Jul 22, 2011 7:03 AM ) Apple, who don't respond here, and as been said so many times (unless you have proof to the contrary) don't visit here as a rule, will be frantic about this 'new' development.

Seriously, scroll arrows are gone. Probably the majority of Apple users these days never knew of them. Do you think Apple will change their entire OS coding to facilitate a handful of whingers who want to live in the dark ages?

Good luck

It's been fun reminiscing.

We must do it again sometime.

Bye

Pete