Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

Yep, same address for all OSX. You choose the OSX you are using during the feedback process

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

The best hardware -- and software -- for any given purpose is the one that does the work at hand best.

For database work, FileMaker on a Mac is serviceable enough, and so is MySQL on a Mac, Windoze box, or Linux box, but for the really heavy lifting, what you need is an IBM midrange system -- an AS/400, or whatever IBM is calling it this week. It has DB2 built in at the microcode level.

For serious typesetting work, I have a DOS-only 486 notebook, with Xerox Ventura Publisher -- the REAL Ventura, the one that runs in a runtime version of DR GEM, not the bloated PageFaker knock-off that Corel has been passing off as Ventura since 1993 -- running on it, and typographically speaking, it runs rings around anything I've ever done on any Macintosh.

For serving web pages, or email, you can't beat *nix boxes.

To avoid paying "The Bill" (as in Gates), Macintosh and Linux are the best choices.

Back in the 1980s, before they got into the bloatware business, Microoft actually put out some decent products. Their BASICs and BASIC-derivatives were second to none. Which was very convenient, because up until about 1986 (with the Mac Plus), Apple wasn't putting out anything that could truly be called practical: the Apple II series was one toy after another, and the Lisa and the pre-Mac-Plus macs were too underpowered to get out of their own way.

For all his brilliance, Wozniak had little understanding of what was actually needed for useful work. And for all his brilliance, Jobs was an egomainac who perpetually thought he knew what end-users needed better than they did.

It would seem that in their haste to get rid of the mouse that their predecessors had transformed from an obscure gizmo in Doug Engelbart's lab to a ubiquitous GUI interaction tool, the present Apple management shares Wozniak's ignorance and indifference to practicality, and Jobs' enormous ego. Unfortunately, they don't share any of the brilliance of either of Apple's founders.

Go reward Bill Gates for leveraging his market share to sell bloatware, if that's what you like, and enjoy a nice, long, fast ride on the Upgrade Treadmill. Or go reward the Apple management for getting rid of scrollbar arrows, and buy up iPods that can't match even a CD for fidelity, iPhones that have more functions than Derek Flint's lighter (but don't do any of them especially well), and MacOS "upgrades" that keep ripping out features that are useful to those seeing to do actual work with them.

For my part, I'm sticking with my G4 "Bionic Desk Lamp" iMac, my Performa 5215, my DOS/Linux Pentium II dual-boot, my DOS-only 486 notebook, and my Nexus 7 tablet, and the WinDoze box, the Mac Mini, the three AS/400s (and three REAL TERMINALS) I use at work. And the Unicomp keyboards and Logitech wheel mice. And on the Mac Mini, I'll muddle through with the scroll wheel serving as a <vulgar term for urine>-poor substitute for scrollbar arrows, but NOBODY is getting my money for supposed "upgrades" that are a step backwards in basic, practical, usefulness.

Your question being?

Pete

If you are using Excel, you can put scrolling arrows in a toolbar which do exactly what the arrows used to do. I have tested it with HowieCarr's example and they work perfectly. Step by step procedure:

1. In Excel use Command-N to get a new workbook, then Insert>Sheet>Other and select "Excel 4.0 Macro Sheet" from the Project Gallery dialog box.
2. In the sheet labelled macro1, type in the following commands:

   Scroll down

   =VLINE(1)

   =RETURN()

   Scroll right

   =HLINE(1)

   =RETURN()

   Scroll left

   =HLINE(-1)

   =RETURN()

   Scroll up

   =VLINE(-1)

   =RETURN()

   
   It should look like this:
3. Save the workbook (Command-S) and select "Excel Macro Enabled Workbook (.xlsm)" from the file type dialog. I suggest you save the workbook in Microsoft User Data in the Documents Folder so you don't accidentally delete it later.
4. Delete the other sheets in the workbook
5. Select the cell with "Scroll down" in it and then Insert>Name>Define. Accept the prompted name and click the button marked "Command" under "Macro" at the bottom. There is no need to choose a keyboard shortcut. Click "OK".
6. Repeat step 5 for the other scroll commands (lines 5, 9 and 13 above) and save the workbook again.
7. Open your favourite toolbar - one that you would normally have open - or create a new toolbar for scrolling. I use the formatting toolbar like this:
8. Go to View>Customize Toolbars and Menus. (If you want a special scrolling toolbar that you can position, click on "New" to create one.) Click on Commands in the dialog box, scroll down to "Macros" on the left hand side and drag the custom button that appears in the right hand side into your toolbar. Close the dialog.
9. Control click on your new button and choose "Assign Macro" in the drop-down menu. Choose "Scroll_down". Now test the button by clicking on it. Your macro sheet should scroll down.
10. Control click on the new button again and choose "Properties". In the dialog box click on the arrow next to the default button (smiley face in mine) to select a down arrow. If you don't like the down arrow provided, use the copy and paste commands to create one in a graphics program.
11. Repeat steps 8 to 10 for each scroll command.

If your buttons are now scrolling as desired you can reduce the "scrolling.xlsm" file to minimum size and close it. Everytime you click on the buttons in your toolbar it will open if not already open and scroll the active worksheet exactly as the old arrows did when you clicked on them.

Thanks kendrick. Great to see a constructive post here at last. Cheers from elsewhere in Australia. 🙂

Pete

But that's only constructive if you use Excel. Even if we confine ourselves to spreadsheets, that still leaves out Open Office, as well as the ever-popular AppleWorks.

And as I've said many times, my main motivation for using Mac, Linux, and IBM PC-DOS 2000 is a desire to avoid paying The Bill.

hbquikcomjamesl wrote:

as well as the ever-popular AppleWorks.

Appleworks? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleWorks

In August 2007, Apple declared AppleWorks "end of life" and stated that they will no longer sell the package. The iWork package, which includes a word processing program, a spreadsheet, and a presentation graphics program, is intended to be its replacement. While much more feature-rich, iWork still lacks some of the modules and the tight integration of AppleWorks.^{[citation needed]} AppleWorks will not run on any versions of Mac OS X later than Snow Leopardbecause it is written in PowerPC code.

How long can you use outdated software for?

Pete

I believe I mentioned Xerox Ventura Publisher (the real thing, not Corel's <coarse term for one of illegitimate parentage> version). It's been totally unsupported far longer: since Corel bought the whole Ventura Software division off of Xerox in the early 1990s. And yet in the hands of an expert, it's still as vitally alive as ever, and still produces beautiful typography. And while it didn't go unsupported quite so long ago, I still use WordPerfect -- again, the real thing, not . . . . (Anybody ever notice that Corel seems to have a reverse Midas touch? Everything they touch turns to bloatware.)

A lot of help there for Mac users. 😉

Exactly hbquickcomjames,

Mr. Jobs got sick, and tried to force one last computer revolution out on the world. He thought the future was the iPad (he may have been right, but not yet - it's not near ready for primtime in terms of data input or content creation) and tried to rush is so that he might live to see it. It's sad that he died, but maybe fortunate for him in the sense that it may be a while before this next step is ready. To force us into being ready for this new world, he couldn't make the iPad yet powerful enough to replace the computer, so - tragically - he or someone else (very likely with the nodded aproval of the sales dept) DOWNGRADED the comptuer into an iPad. This was unwise, because others are not following this lead. I could see Apple being left behind, maybe even abandoning the comptuer industry all together as time goes on and just being a content provider.

Yes but your outlook so far in this thread has lacked some important elements. Like substance, facts, intelligence on the issue and general manners. So nobody reads anything into what you say. 😉

You see, this nonsense such as

Mr. Jobs got sick, and tried to force one last computer revolution out on the world. He thought the future was the iPad (he may have been right

Where did you source this? Can you back it with facts? No, it is just speculation....again....and against the TOU you agreed to but don't seem to care about. Which is why your posts are so irrelevant. Go back to Snow Leopard or Windows. You obviously are struggling with the technology market of today.

Cheers

Pete

Peter - the only one on this thread lacking manners is you. While the rest of us are commenting on the real loss of performance for actual users of these devices, you have focused on belittling others with a smug attitude that you must somehow know better than we do what we need to do our jobs. You may believe that Apple can do no wrong, but history has shown otherwise. I still love Apple - warts and all - but I do not believe them to be infallible. I respect your right to feel otherwise. You could do with a dose of respect for other people's viewpoints as well.

There doesn't seem to be a way to report messages as inappropriate in this board.

Without that, I suggest we ignore Peter.

MacGuffin you wrote at 1027 on 27 Nov, "Without that, I suggest we ignore Peter."

Are you promoting censorship, eh? (I am new at this Board, so I may not have the experience to know how irritating Peter can be.)

The subject of the thread is not annoying adolescent gibes. Ignoring off topic subjects isn't censorship.