Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

PeterMac isn't so bad, a bit smug, and apparently successful and proficient w/ a trackpad, but he has at least been consistently posting the link to make Apple aware of any concerns. I usually don't complain about "progress", but am having difficulty w/o arrow buttons, and the solution seems SO simple, and harmless to those who can function w/o them. Users shld be able to turn them on or off, and position them however they like. Oh well.

I'm with you. I like progress... it just has to actually be process. And backwardly compatibable until we have established that something new works. I'm not anti-trackpad, i'm just anti- FORCED downgrade to a trackpad. I spent 12 hundred bucks for a computer. Stop trying to lower what I purchased to a mere iPad. I love and forgive must of the things they do, but it's rare they just stop cold on something like this and try to force a new way on people.

The laucher is the perfect example. It's only function it to make launching programs the same on your mac the same as it is on your iPad (or, a more honest way to put it, to make it as difficult to launch a program on a mac as it is on an iPad - it's a pure downgrade). But they didn't activly DISABLE spotlight - the clearly superior way to lauch programs on the mac. You get a choice. As long as I have the choice, I don't mind the existence of the laucher, I just don't use it.

And I do find Pmac objectionable. To use the example above, if they elimated spotlight, he would go out of his way to smugly inform you that you don't need spotlight, everyone loves the laucher and your are an idiot for wanting spotlight back. He would then troll on any threads advocating for the return of the clearly superior technology. That's not helping.

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I would still like to have the efficient, easily controlled functionality of the scrollbar arrows, but after experimenting with a couple of scroll wheel mice I remembered that I really can't stand 2-button mice, and I discovered MagicPrefs, a preference pane for customizing the Apple Magic Mouse (as well as Trackpads). I disabled everything and configured scrolling to vertical only with 2 fingers (since I always have 2 fingers on the mouse, never just 1, possibly a reason I've never had wrist issues despite 25 years of mouse use) over the entire surface.

It doesn't bring back line-by-line scrolling, particularly with the precision required to work well in spreadsheets, but it's helpful.

I should add that turning off 1-finger scrolling in MagicPrefs also disables "momentum" scrolling, which greatly enhances control.

I need the arrows too. Although my Magic Mouse works great for almost all scrolling events and apps it does not help in all instances for Excel. It wants to step through the whole cell at a time. In many cases the cell may be more than the height or length of the page. I'm not able to scroll through the cell bit by bit to view all of the data. This is a problem.

ccv99 wrote:

This is a problem.

For a few. The Original Poster of this thread marked it as solved. Maybe read back through this thread and see what worked for them.

Cheers

Pete

apple.com/ feedback/macosx.html ...it is such a problem for me, also, that I will not upgrade (again) past OS 10.6.8 unless scroll bar arrow buttons are an option in the future. I can live without upgrades that remove functionality. The original post may have been solved, but the problem has not been solved. Maybe Apple support will shut down solved discussions some day? Until then I am looking everywhere for a solution. Scroll bar arrow buttons, please :)

There is no solution other than staying four OSXs back with Snow Leopard. Don't like your chances after they have been gone for that long. But you can live in hope for a few more OSXs that it may return. I'd prefer to use the be idiots of the modern OSXs in preference to the old scroll arrows.

Cheers

Pete

Bumping this topic back to the top. Just had some trouble scrolling up in Apple mail on the builting trackpad of my MacBook. Fingers too dry or cold? I don't know. Don't care, wouldn't have been the slightest frustration if I had a backup way to do it ie SCROLL ARROWS! Come on Apple, lets get this fixed already. We all know this was a bad call.

For my work in Itunes I definately need those scroll ARROWS!!!! PLEASE!

Send feedback to Apple, but by the age of this thread I wouldn't hold my breath.

Cheers

Pete

Yes please. Send the feedback to Apple. I just did. It's idiotic that they haven't changed this by now. It's time to stop hiding and eliminating proven interface elements just to be different. Not the way Apple used to be...

As I say, they were removed in the last three systems, so I wouldn't hold my breath. As the original poster marked this thread closed long ago, look back and see what solved it for them.

Cheers

Pete

I'd like to turn Apple's attention to the March 24 issue of Macworld, which has a few points to make about how Apple adds and subtracts good features that I and a lot of others have been making all along. On page 20 in an article titled "Inconsistencies Shake Consumers' Faith in Apple' they point out that the reason Keynote, Pages and Numbers can't comptete against Microsoft is not that Microsoft has better products, but they have more consistant products. To quote "Apple has repeatedly revamped its marquee apps - and unceremoniously pulled beloved features ... if apple yanks a feature you use, the event can leave you with a Blu-ray-esque bag of hurt. Say what you want about Microsoft, it dosen't pull features from its flagship apps."

Furthermore, in the "From the Editors Desk" article, the very first one in the magazine, it talks alot about apple's foolish complacency and it's rather blythe assumption that customers will just accept what it does as if granted from on high (my words, not his). He also states that, like I, he is rooting for more and better competition for apple in hope of forcing them to respond more to customers needs, rather than dictating what they need.

Excellent post Scott! Let's see what petermac has to say...