Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

Rucio wrote:

There's the rub. Users once had quite a bit of control over the UI, including—crucially for many—the appearance of scrollbar arrows.

I was refering to designing the UI. Users have never had a say in that. If they don't like it, they can use alternatives or older versions.

Pete

Alas, productivity and compatibility require eventually upgrading. Hence the dismay that productivity is in fact downgraded.

Rucio wrote:

Alas, productivity and compatibility require eventually upgrading. Hence the dismay that productivity is in fact downgraded.

Mine has improved dramatically and my staff have had no issues adjusting. Waiting anxiously for OSX 10.10 but you can still use Snow Leopard if Scroll Bar arrows are important to your workflow for some reason.

Good Luck

Pete

"Give feedback to Apple. We are only users like yourself with no control over OSX UI"

Pete actually has some good advince here, and points out the flaw in apples thinking (users are demand, if you don't give demand what they want, supply goes out of business). Give feedback to apple...

But continue posting here. And continue posting elsewhere. And when people ask your advice on wither they should buy a mac, be HONEST with your answer. This one flaw is will be a deal breaker for people who work for a living. Apple deserves to lose their business. And if they don't, what is their motivation to correct this error? You can not just swollow anything they feed you or we will be whittled down to nothing but expensive, unusable computers. Apple is just trying to change the 'meme' so they can sell those horrible trackpads. Don't let them force something down your throat you don't want.

For Excel users there is a simple workaround using Excel 4 macros. This gives you scrollbar arrows that you can add to any toolbar. I have posted details earlier in this thread at

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3196331?start=255&tstart=0

Hope this helps.

It was. Very helpful.

Scott Nash wrote:

"Give feedback to Apple. We are only users like yourself with no control over OSX UI"

Pete actually has some good advince here, and points out the flaw in apples thinking (users are demand, if you don't give demand what they want, supply goes out of business). Give feedback to apple...

But continue posting here. And continue posting elsewhere. And when people ask your advice on wither they should buy a mac, be HONEST with your answer. This one flaw is will be a deal breaker for people who work for a living. Apple deserves to lose their business. And if they don't, what is their motivation to correct this error? You can not just swollow anything they feed you or we will be whittled down to nothing but expensive, unusable computers. Apple is just trying to change the 'meme' so they can sell those horrible trackpads. Don't let them force something down your throat you don't want.

I am honest with my answer. If you want to stay with the latest OSX Systems and the most advanced third party programs, then you will need to keep up with and adjust to a few things. If it does not suit your workflow, then revert to an OSX that did or even a version of Windows that suits your needs. There is no 'error' to correct. It was a deliberate decision made by Apple and certainly does not have seemed to affect the amount of users they have. The old users are passing on, and the new users have never seen these old features. But keep up the feedback. Who knows? They have not reintroduced them in Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks and no reports of them being reintroduced in Yosemite. So basically this thread has so far been a waste of time, just a place to air a grievance and for a few to vent the passing of an old friend. As I say, there are alternatives. I would have no complaints with them being introduced, but I cannot help you out, nor can anybody else here.

All using Track pads in my business and productivity is at an all time high.

But keep sending feedback. It worked for USB syncing of Contacts and Calanders in Mavericks, although they were only missing for a very short time.

All the best

Pete

I had missed that (or maybe ignored it as not being a big Excel user), but if those macro commands are in Excel, they must also be in Word. And indeed they are. I created the following 2 macros for Word and assigned alt-arrows down and up to them (View > Toolbars > Customize Toolbars and Menus… Keyboard…).

Sub ScrollDown()

ActiveWindow.SmallScroll Down:=1

End Sub

Sub ScrollUp()

ActiveWindow.SmallScroll Up:=1

End Sub

And now with option-up and -down arrows assigned in Word to line up and down macros, the Magic Prefs preference pane can be configured to assign gestures or taps to option-up and -down:

In MagicPrefs, pop up the assignment menu next to any of the clicks, taps, or gestures, and select Custom Actions > Manage Keyboard Actions. Click in the field at the top, press one of the keyboard combinations, and click the "plus" button. Then similarly add the other keyboard combi and close the dialog.

I assigned option-up and -down to one-finger taps left and right: Make sure the desired mouse action is active (checked), and at the bottom of the pop-up menu next to it, select the keyboard combination that was added.

Ironic, that we're talking about workarounds in Microsloth* products for Apple's self-destructively dumb move. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who chooses Apple in order to avoid paying "The Bill."

Are there by any chance equivalent workarounds for Open Office?

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*I have a jucier dysphemism for Microsoft, but I try to avoid using profanity, even Yiddish profanity, on family boards.

Well after six months of using Mavericks and several years of using the previous (scroll arrow-less) OS, I still hate that there are no arrows on the scrollbar. I don't have a trackpad and I don't have any way to use gestures on my Mac Pro and Mac Mini. I have a neurological problem that makes it hard enough to click a mouse, much less use the scroll wheel. It would be so much easier for Apple to have simply given us the option of showing arrows just as they do with scrollbars.

I was hoping by now someone would have come up with the command-line hack or Tinker tool implementation to restore the arrows, but nothing as of yet. if you miss your scroll arrows, please send your request to Apple as that is the only way it seems they will return that functionality.

As has been said, we just need to continue to bring it up to them.

Go to http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html, and in the block "Feedback Area" click on the last choice, "Universal Access/Accessibility". If we all squeek, they m-i-g-h-t hear the squeeking wheel.

Yet another reason to hate the lack of arrows. Remote access. Dialing into a remote computer the lag is often terrible. Clicking an arrow button was easy and would get you where you needed quickly. No arrow... takes forever to zero in on the spot you need. Zip past it with one click, zip past the other way with another click, have to get near it then try that clunky trackpad over the interest. Slow and difficult to the point of near impossibility.

Can't even remember scroll arrows they have been gone for so long. Go back to Snow Leopard, I think they had them.

Pete

Given that Apple has taken to just deleting posts the make the best points, I think it's safe to say the arrows are gone and they aren't coming back. It's more about stubbornness at this point than reason. Sadly, after 21 years (first computer a much beloved Mac LCIII), I have to make the call. I've been using my Mac more and more for play and less and less for work. I used to look down on people who called them "Macintoys' but in the end they were right. I've been limping along most using a crummy old HP laptop for most of my work, but I've decided maintaining multiple systems is a bad investment. So tonight I'm getting a high end windows machine and, while I'm not throwing out the mac, and will continue to add any free updates to keep it running as long as possible, it's going to become my 'home/backup' machine I won't spend any more money on it and unless the next OS is free as well (unlikely) this is software level it will remain at. When it finally fails (hopefully years from now) I won't be getting another. It just too 'designed clumsy' for what I need to do anymore Hopefully you still see me occasionally trying to solve little problems, but for the most part I'll be learning the ins and out of Windows. They are at least trying solve problems for me, not dictate what adjunct devices I plug into it. They have a way to go, but they no longer have any serious competition.

I don't need any reply at this point. The decision is made so this customer will have to be won back the same way a stranger would. If I'm the only one for whom this was a 'deal breaker', then don't worry about it. However, if you see a trend, hopefully I've articulated what I'm doing enough to show what is happening and how went wrong. If sales decline, maybe someone will notice this post and consider.

Ah, there are good points in here. It will probably just be deleted.