Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

I find having the track pad for my imac really helps with this. I turn off the swiping functions of my mouse as they are too anoying with some of my Adobe programs.

I had this question, too, and was extremely frustrated at how difficult it was to navigate pages without the little arrows, as the scroll bar alone moves the pages too much - wanted the scroll bar arrows back to move pages incrementally. I FINALLY figured out that if I use the up/down arrow KEYS on my keyboard, pages will move incrementally (just a little bit at a time). Hope that helps some of you out there who have also been missing the scroll bar arrows.

Try holding the Command key down while you use the arrow keys. Prepare to be amazed....

I agree. Apple's decision to remove the scroll bar arrows makes navigating large Excel spreadsheets very difficult. I really need the arrows back in the Excel scroll bar. This is hugely frustrating!

I just posted a new message on the arrows because I hadn't seen this one but I'll add to the thread. If I had seen this I would NEVER had upgraded. After 30 years of using Apple products when everyone around me was saying they were stupid, I woke up wishing I could switch - not to Windows but back to paper and pencil. For a writer most of the bells and whistles are not important but are a waste of time. The animations are a distraction and changes in things like how I scroll through a document are a nightmare. These are not improvements. And Apple isn't listening to people who just want a fast workhorse, not a circus act.

Thanks to the person who posted about using the arrow keys -- that's a help. I hope a third party comes out with a fix soon. Apple could at least have kept the option of arrows. I don't even know how to get back to Snow Leopard now. I used MacKeeper to upgrade my apps.

This has been frustrating me for months. Because of an injury in my hand I typically use a stylus on a Wacom tablet as my pointing device. I have been gradually getting used to reaching over to the trackpad on my laptop whenever I want to scroll a couple of lines in Excel or Word, and I am getting more adept. But, in a 10000-line spreadsheet it is often difficult to just scroll one row. (And no, the arrow keys don't do the same thing - they move the position of the selection within the worksheet.)

So in desperation I figured out how to make four Excel macros that scroll the screen one row and column at a time. I assigned them to keys (though most of the obvious combinations were reserved by the system) but I also assigned them to buttons on two little toolbars that I created that I can position where I want. and I also put them in the top toolbar like this, where they appear in all new windows in Excel.

This now works ok for me. I hope this isn't too large a message for this group, but I'm happy for anyone else to use them. Here is the code for the four macros (note that some other scrolling commands in VBA that I tried didn't seem to work properly). I can provide equivalents in Word (up and down only) if anyone is interested.

Sub scrollup()

'

' scrollup Macro

'by John Waldron

' Keyboard Shortcut: Option+Cmd+u

'

If ActiveSheet.Type = xlWorksheet Then

If ActiveWindow.ScrollRow > 1 Then

ActiveWindow.ScrollRow = ActiveWindow.ScrollRow - 1

End If

End If

End Sub

Sub scrollleft()

'

' scrollleft Macro

' by John Waldron

' Keyboard Shortcut: Option+Cmd+l

'

If ActiveSheet.Type = xlWorksheet Then

If ActiveWindow.ScrollColumn > 1 Then

ActiveWindow.ScrollColumn = ActiveWindow.ScrollColumn - 1

End If

End If

End Sub

Sub scrollright()

'

' scrollright Macro

' by John Waldron

' Keyboard Shortcut: Option+Cmd+r

'

If ActiveSheet.Type = xlWorksheet Then

ActiveWindow.ScrollColumn = ActiveWindow.ScrollColumn + 1

End If

End Sub

Sub scrolldown()

'

' scrolldown Macro

' by John Waldron

' Keyboard Shortcut: Option+Cmd+b

'

If ActiveSheet.Type = xlWorksheet Then

ActiveWindow.ScrollRow = ActiveWindow.ScrollRow + 1

End If

End Sub

I hate the lack of scroll bar arrows. Along with the problems already mentioned, I use a lot of InDesign files on a desktop MacPro because of working with many publisher files. It is so VERRRRY difficult to handle long, complicated files without having those elevator arrows. My hands ache and I think terrrible thoughts about Apple - I, who have had Macs since 1984! I would go back to Snow Leopard if I could, but it's impossible under the circumstances.

I was hoping that Mountain Lion would reconsider and reintroduce scrolling arrows again, like Coke retreated back to the original, better version of its soft drink. But no. Maybe the next version will at least offer an option that allows scrolling arrows in Preferences. Who cares if the scroll bar looks sleeker the new way. It works far worse. Jobs would have been on this and fixed it by now, I think. He would have at least heard the rumble in the jungle.

Sorry Apple, this was enough to push me back to MS-Windows. Here's my new PC: Acer Predator AG3620-UR21P Desktop

But since Mac desktop and laptop computers only make up a small percentage of Apple's revenues (20%?), I guess this doesn't make any difference to Apple.

Oh well.

The problem, I think, is in Apples collective consiousness, they are merging the iPad and the computer and they are prepping the user to think in those terms. Unfortunatly, I don't feel the iPad UI is ready for prime time. By that I mean, It's great as a reader or 'information delivery system,' but it's not great for input. Things are slow, you have to move one item at a time. Touch screens are cool, but track pads stink. As a writer, I don't want to write on an iPad. I want a nice keyboard, a mouse and and easy way to move the screen the way I want to and the iPad UI does NOT even come close to being what I want.

Instead of trying to make the comptuer more like the iPad, they should be focuing on making the iPad more like the computer. Or at least a happy medium between the two.

You can go to System Preferences > General, and change "Show scroll bars" options (i.e.,"Automatically based on mouse or trackpad," "When scrolling," "Always," etc. This helped me bring back my scroll bars to always showing when clicking the Applications folder in my Dock.

I know this is somewhat off topic, but referencing the merging of the iPad type device and laptop/computer experience as touted in Mountain Lion, which exemplifies one of the reasons the arrows are gone:

The vision is to have us all online 24/7 to pay bills, buy gas, checkout at restaurants, etc., a cash-less society run from your smart-device. They can turn you on or off as a functioning member of society when they dictate. One of the current problems is the transmission of sufficient data, crippled by greedy rip-off carrier data fees such as ATT and Verizon's rediculous data plans. As example of how they now control you, I pay for "unlimited" data, but if I use it as such, I get throttled down to where it becomes worthless.

The problem is not the scroll bars, it's the incremental precision of the aforementioned lost arrows.

I work almost exclusively in itunes on my Mac (I'm a DJ). I have really tried to be OK with the arrows being gone. Often times, new features just take time to get used to, and then it's fine. In this case though, it's just not! I have a huge itunes library and every tool avialable to make navigating easier is necessary. Maybe it's less sleek and cool looking to have those little suckers there, so come up with a prettier control option- but do something!!! It shouldn't be this disfuntional.

PLEASE,

H

Apple has made a rare misread of the market I think. They took the popularity of the iPad (a READING device) and mistaken it as the same love people have for the computer. They are trying to make the computer more like the iPad, when, in reality, they are two compeltely different things. If anything, they should be working to make the iPad more like the computer.

This is also why the first thing I did when updating to lion (and now mountain lion - it came back) was remove the virtually unusable launcher from my Dock. You have to reorganize the thing one item at a time like the iPad... but with a mouse! No thank you! Indeed, I can't figure out when I can't rearrange the iPad apps when it's plugged into the computer with the computer style (Selecting multiple items, click and drag, etc.). But it's a spend half an hour grabbing and dragging one thing at a time. Fine on the iPad itself, ridiculus when you have all the well established tools to do it easier and better at your disposal.

The business community will NOT go for this type of ineffeciancy, and the consumer community will weary of it quickly. When a Dell is half the price of an Apple AND more efficient, it's going to cut into apples profits.

Scott Nash wrote:

Apple has made a rare misread of the market I think. They took the popularity of the iPad (a READING device) and mistaken it as the same love people have for the computer. They are trying to make the computer more like the iPad, when, in reality, they are two compeltely different things. If anything, they should be working to make the iPad more like the computer.

This is also why the first thing I did when updating to lion (and now mountain lion - it came back) was remove the virtually unusable launcher from my Dock. You have to reorganize the thing one item at a time like the iPad... but with a mouse! No thank you! Indeed, I can't figure out when I can't rearrange the iPad apps when it's plugged into the computer with the computer style (Selecting multiple items, click and drag, etc.). But it's a spend half an hour grabbing and dragging one thing at a time. Fine on the iPad itself, ridiculus when you have all the well established tools to do it easier and better at your disposal.

The business community will NOT go for this type of ineffeciancy, and the consumer community will weary of it quickly. When a Dell is half the price of an Apple AND more efficient, it's going to cut into apples profits.

Yes, I noticed the slump in share prices and sales, leaving Apple as the richest company on the planet again. And wait until Windows starts their future Windows 8+ visions with their Tablet. The business community I work with have already lauded the new features.

I have not missed the arrows at all and work every day with Adobe CS and other design software. But I am only in the majority, as there are only a tiny percentage of users struggling with new features.

Cheers

Pete