Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

Thank you, Pete

Thanks Pete,

I've filled out the form a few time and

"Thank you for your feedback on Mac OS X.

We cannot respond to you personally, but please know that your message has been received and will be reviewed by the Mac OS X Team. If we need to follow up with you on your ideas for improving Mac OS X, we will contact you directly.

We appreciate your assistance in making Mac OS X better.

Mac OS X Team
Apple"

is all that will come of it.

I did fill it out one more time tonight but in truth I don't believe that Apple will do anythng about it. We've been asking for help from day one of Lion but I've never seen any responce from Apple.

jack 3 wrote:

Thanks Pete,

I've filled out the form a few time and

"Thank you for your feedback on Mac OS X.

We cannot respond to you personally, but please know that your message has been received and will be reviewed by the Mac OS X Team. If we need to follow up with you on your ideas for improving Mac OS X, we will contact you directly.

We appreciate your assistance in making Mac OS X better.

Mac OS X Team
Apple"

is all that will come of it.

I did fill it out one more time tonight but in truth I don't believe that Apple will do anythng about it. We've been asking for help from day one of Lion but I've never seen any responce from Apple.

You won't get a personal response from Apple. If enough people complain, then perhaps they will look at reintroducing the arrows. If it i only a few people out of the many millions using Lion and Mountain Lion, then I wouldn't hold my breath. But that is your only avenue. Personally, I have forgotten by now all about the arrows and simply use trackpad gestures and/or a scrolling mouse.

Cheers

Pete

I don't see how to make the cruise go backwards on my Logitech mouse. I assigned the Thumb Back button to Cruise and Thumb Forward to Cruise, but they both just go down the page. Can you provide clarification?

I absolutely want to work using scroll arrows: please, return scroll arrows in immediate future Mountain Lion update or I downgrade to 10.7!!!

giovanni.doro wrote:

I absolutely want to work using scroll arrows: please, return scroll arrows in immediate future Mountain Lion update or I downgrade to 10.7!!!

10.7 does not have scroll bar arrows either. You can go back to 10.6 or try to plead your case with Apple

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

A big good luck with that!

Pete

Personally, I went 'back' to Windows 7 over it. And the increase in productivity has already paid for it. Does anyone know what the new Windows 8 did with scroll arrows? I have this horrible fear they will follow apple into this folly.

Try asking in a windoze forum.

Cheers

Pete

Try scrolling through a long list, or a long page, when the only mouse available has no scroll wheel. Touchpads are bupkis (I may be Goyish, but Yiddish is such an expressive language!). And try dragging the thumb around when the only available mouse is so worn out that your hand cramps trying to move it long distances with the button down.

Of course, if you're in a Java application, and it gives you the option of using L&Fs other than the system default, getting proper scroll bars back, arrows and all, is as easy as selecting either Metal or Nimbus.

I will say that I know of one -- and only one -- situation in which dragging the thumb of a scrollbar is actually the best way to scroll: Running good old Xerox Ventura Publisher, DOS/GEM Edition (yes, I actually still use it, but I have a fondness for antiques, and occasionally still use my Performa, too), on anything that's less than 20 years old: it had no speed governor on the scroll arrows (none was needed when the average DOS machine was XT-class, and a state-of-the-art model was a 12MHz "Turbo-AT"), and so on a more modern DOS box, they run too fast to control.

Not that the behavior of a DOS app that nobody else I know still uses has anything to do with the latest release of Mac OS X.

You can bring back scroll bars:

System Preferances > General > Show scroll bars: Choose "Always"

You can bring back scroll bars:

System Preferances > General > Show scroll bars: Choose "Always"

not scroll bars . . . it's the scroll bar arrows that have been removed

in 10.8.3 its the scroll bar "ARROWS" that people are complaining about being missing on the screen.

Arrow keys work on keyboard BUT not very accurate for people doing fine motor skill work

There is now currently no solution as I see it at the moment.

HoopsAustralia wrote:

There is now currently no solution as I see it at the moment.

There is a workaround, but it requires 3rd party software:

Download a utility capable of executing a scroll wheel simulation macro, triggered by a keyboard shortcut.

I'm using Keyboard Maestro which is an incredibly powerful tool in its own right.

I've created four global macros, each one simulating Scroll Wheel Up/Down/Left/Right.

The scrolling value can be set as low as 1 pixel ⚠ per keystroke. (I'm fine with 5…)

Each macro gets a global keyboard shortcut:

⌃⇧⌘↑

⌃⇧⌘↓

⌃⇧⌘←

⌃⇧⌘→

(These modifiers are optional, but over the years I've developed the habit to use ⌃⇧⌘ strictly for global shortcuts active in all applications. This habit avoids possible conflicts with internal application shortcuts, because this modifier combination is rather uncommon.)

To get contiunous scrolling while holding the keys down, make sure the hot key trigger setting is "is down", not the default "is pressed".

Also note that the pointer must be over the affected window – same as if you'd be using a real scroll wheel – for the shortcuts to work.

It works in all application windows which support scroll wheel input, including text forms like this one I'm posting this reply.

Hope that helps

Thank you. This was exactly what I was looking for. I knew there had to be a hack or third party software. Too many people were miserable over the deletion of arrows. A total productivity drag.

I'm still running into people every day who hate the mobile apps and being required to use them. I don't use mobile devices to browse the web anymore--too much information and capability is missing from the websites.

To design a desktop operating system limited by the capabilities of an iPhone is totally misguided.