Scroll Bar arrows Gone?

mythicwave wrote:

I'm now using DP and Finale in Windows and haven't looked back. I'm using a Windows 7 system. Windows 8 is basically a good operating system although Microsoft messed up on shoving the Metro interface down everyone's throat. It should have been an option.

So YOUR solution is to use an outdated Windoze System, when you would have got back the scroll arrows using an outdated Mac System?

Pure genius!!

Good Luck

Pete

The last time I checked, mouse movements and clicks counted as "gestures." Just as, the last time I checked, a touch-pad or touch-screen "flick" was nowhere near as precise as the most imprecise scrollbar or scroll-wheel movement.

And I have yet to find a touch-sensitive device of any kind that performs reliably at all, much less one that does so, and permits the sort of easy, precise selection of large blocks of text that can be selected with a mouse, or with a keyboard, for that matter. Or that permits the kind of precise scrolling of large amounts of data possible using a well-designed scrollbar with arrows.

I have a tablet. The best that can be said about it is that when I'm in a hotel, it saves me from having to go to the typically clunky guest computer carrel (or the nearest public library, or drop a few bucks at the nearest Kinko's) just to check my email and boards. But if I need to actually reply to anything, it's still a pain in the butt.

"Lanny," that's about as useful as Nash's recommendation to "get a WinDoze box."

I'm sorry, but of all the posts on this thread recently, this is the ONLY one that had an actual solution to the problem at hand. I have a cheap windows laptop for work, and two Macs for play. I used to have three macs, but I've had to evolve. If you don't like my solution... GOOD! I don't like it either, hence the fact that thread coninues for eight pages.

You people seem to think telling Apple when they've made a mistake is somehow 'anti-apple.' But if we did that, there would be no iPads and we would all be using Newtons! Do your favored product a favor and stop being such slavish bobbleheads.

Then, again, tell Apple. We are just users also. Moaning here won't bring back a well outdated feature.

But good luck.

Pete

Done. And doing. And will continue to do, despite your trolling. They'll get the message. They already are. The market is informing them in a language they can't miss.

Question for you though. Honest question. Why are you trolling? What do you gain by NOT having features even if you don't use them (though I don't believe you didn't use this one - it was too efficient and useful). There are a lot of features I simply don't use, but I don't launch a trolling campaign to get rid of them simply because others like them. What is your deal?

Trolls such as yourself, who just cannot move on from old fashioned ways. That's all.

Solved threes from years ago being revived by those too lazy to Google or start their own threads.

Yawn!!

Pete

I'm going to jump in here.

There are legitimate biz reasons that require precision scrolling on a mac - which have nothing to do with being old fashioned, or using outdated software.

I run an analyst firm. We work with very large, very complex Excel financial models.

I use a Logitech trackball which helps with many of the scrolling issues. But, even with this, navigating a large worksheet is much clumsier than it used to be before the scroll bars were arbitrarily removed by Apple.

Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit sells a lot of software ($350 p.a. in 2008, no recent revenue stats readily available), which means that there are likely millions of people in the Mac community that use Excel on a regular basis.

Other forum contributors have also described software that is more cumbersome to use without scroll bars.

Many of us have have raised issues directly with Apple, to no avail. Keeping an issue such as this alive via user forums is a necessary part of keeping pressure on Apple to fix the problem.

Yes I can see how much good it's done in the last two years.

Pete

Well, if this is really boring you, I don't evny your future, because this one isn't going away soon.

Enjoy your trolling.

clumsier than it used to be before the scroll bars were arbitrarily removed by Apple.

Just to be clear, the scroll bars were not removed, they are just turned off by default. It is just the scroll bar arrows that have been removed. And the Up and Down keyboard arrow keys duplicate their actions, quicker than mouse clicking does.

IMHO

"And the Up and Down keyboard arrow keys duplicate their actions, quicker than mouse clicking does.

Simply incorrect. The time (and more importatnly, disruption to the work flow) it take to move your hand from the mouse to the keyboard must be counted as must the time returning it and recentering your mouse curser where you need it. There is simply no way anybody can say this is faster. The best they can say is it's 'as fast,' though I'd need to see some proof even of that.

I don't even know why we are having this discussion. The long established advice for productivity on laptops was 'buy a USB mouse.' We've ALWAYS known this was faster. I don't know how Apple has convinced some of us otherwise. It's simply not true, and the rest of the computer world does not seem to be followoing Apple down this garden path. It needs fixed.

In you less than humble opinion.

Pete

Oh yes, the scroll arrows are vital to most pros in most professions. It was short-sighted of Apple to cater to the casual users who gesture on touch screens instead of getting down to work on something big and important. Apple shoud at least give us pros the option to use arrows in the next version. This one is SUCH a pain!

Then tell Apple, not us. You are well over two years late while other 'pros' have moved on and osx sales on 10.7 and 10.8 have seen record sales. How is it you are still struggling? Try returning to Snow Leopard using your backup if you have only just updated.

Cheers

Pete

The time (and more importatnly, disruption to the work flow) it take to move your hand from the mouse to the keyboard must be counted as must the time returning it and recentering your mouse curser where you need it.

Uh, most people have 2 hands, I would suggest using the other for the arrow keys and keeping your mouse hand on your archaic mouse.