DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION!

Maybe. For now I'm running everything I need on Safe Mode and Lion works great. I have no sound though and the keyboard doesn't light up but it is the only way I can use my computer. If I boot normally I get the spinning wheel in a matter of "strokes". I ordered some RAM see if it will help - if not I'll revert to SL for sure.

With all due respect: safe mode is for troubleshooting only, not for current activity. How much RAM do you have? do you use old apps, once installed in SL, and preserved after upgrade to Lion? If yes, stop them. Backup and erase-and-then-install. I am sure that, with a clean system, all will be better. Then, take care when you install something. Many complain that Lion run badly, but have all sorts of old stuff incompatible with Lion. If this is your case, then no wonder Lion runs as described.

Lion is not exactly something I like very much, there are inconsistencies, but there are also good parts of it. I still think Tiger is the software masterpiece of Apple, unsurpassed so far.

EVERYONE STOP COMMENTING!!! MY EMAIL IS FLOODING UP!!!

haha that's funny

Not the problem. I did that. I have a SSD drive on a "diet" and 4GB RAM -- And I really don't see the problem running in Safe Mode -- Even the DVD drive works and the system is very snappy and my Macbook Pro stays cool.

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I really don't see the problem running in Safe Mode -- Even the DVD drive works and the system is very snappy and my Macbook Pro stays cool.

That is because Safe Mode has disabled the 3rd party software that is causing all of your problems. It would be better to just remove the incompatible software.

I suggest you start a new thread, run one of Linc Davis' diagnostic tests, and someone will have the problem identified in a few minutes.

everything works good on both my iMAC and my Macbook Pro. sounds like a user error to me!

best way to install Lion, get a Mac OS X 10.6.3 or newer, do a full base install (format the drive, start from scratch), run the updates via Update my MAC, then download Lion and make sure to google how to save the Lion update (there's a .dng file embedded in the installer) and burn it to disc, then run the disc and continue to install Lion. then run the updates to 10.7.1 and 10.7.2, reinstall apps, and you should be good to go from then.

That's the easiest, least complicated way to do it.

Because many people do not have problems does not mean a few people are not experiencing real problems.

The arrogant assumption that everyone entering these forums shares all of your common knowledge because whatever was already "well known" is erroneous.

The vast majority of Apple users are still entering the market and are new to it, and thus seeking help. Being frustrated and overwhelmed does not make others trolls or in violation of anything.

Furthermore, when I come in here to read, looking for answers, presumptous, consdescending editorials on other users, assuming all the others are uber Mac geeks such as yourself, is not only a waste of time but they are boring, condescending, and offensive.

Why don't you just help people instead of using their frustration and lack of information to feel superior? Then your posts would be worthwhile reading.

" It wasn't Snow Leopard that fixed anything, it was the erasing of the user-scrambled hard drive" That's useful to take a look at. Thanks.

Agreed. With about $20,000.00 worth of Apple products in our household, paying top dollar for products with the same production costs as all the other companies, I expect what I am paying for, but lately, not getting it so much. Even the Apple store geniuses push us in and out and do not do what is asked of them so we end up going back.

Are you reflecting toward the original poster or are you reflecting to me? Either way, your reflection has been noted. I have Lion, I love it, and have zero problems!

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most people can find answers to their questions on google. MAC OS X while different is not difficult to use, or difficult to learn. It just takes time to become familiar with how it works and get used to the differences.

MAC OS X isn't perfect, but it's better than anything that Microcrap puts out on the market. Each has its flaws and drawbacks, but I get to actually use my MAC, rather than fix it all the time and troubleshoot it. Unlike with a PC and Winblows, where I have to constantly fix this, fix that, change this, change that, system slows down, .dll file not found, registry broken, blah blah blah.

if people would just take the time to research, READ, and follow the instructions, they would have fewer issues, but most feel they can't do anything and so they expect everyone else to do it for them. If I can learn how to do it on my own, so can others. Ive had mine for about a year now, and I'll never go back to a PC/Windows platform, not to save my life.

"Both Preview and Office 2011 work fine for everyone else."

That isn't true, thus your answer is just as overgeneralized as people you disagree with. Besides what difference does it make? Who cares if it doesn't work for only one person or a million? People are looking for answers, not a competition.

Thank you for the update.

If you come back to this topic, I am interested in what changes you made that resulted in smooth operations. (<:

I was speaking to you. I don't get my panties in a twist just because a frustrated user vents a little. I understand their frustrations and it is no skin off my nose if someone is unhappy with Apple or one of its products. I also don't form my conclusions on a few rants out of context, but instead read the responses for more information. Most of us are intelligent enough to keep things in perspective and look for more information than one venting from a frustrated user.

Given you feel you have vast knowledge, I would appreciate your sharing it in a generous manner in here rather than spending our time engaged in dumping on other users. I won't speak for others, but I have no interest in what you personally think of the other user or if you feel defensive for a product. It is only a product for Christ's sake, not your best friend or your manhood.

BTW, I went straight to the Apple store for my upgrade to Lion because I had the coverage and I wanted to avoid unexpected hassles. I had a battery issue requiring a new battery and couple of other small fixes for them to take care of at the time, so I also purchased Lion and asked for a clean install. I believe in clean installs. However, the fellow didn't want to do that and insisted there was no problem with just installing Lion over my current system. He said absolutely nothing about any potential problems to be on the alert for, and didn't even take a look at what was on my MBP first. They just dumped it on over what was on my system already.

Like others, my system has been messed up including Mail, and I have been confused by it. I am not knowledgabe enough to understand all the differences and conflicts myself, but I do know how to reformat a harddrive since I used to necessarily reformat my Windows computers three times a year (which is why I grew to hate Windows and switched to Apple only).

Sometimes, Apple itself creates problems that could be avoided and given its billions of cash it is sitting on, it could afford to better hold its customers hands a little more through big changes. Since it doesn't, experienced users with better knowledge who frequent this forum are appreciated when they offer help, rather than making it a personal mission to defend Apple at all costs, and who help fellow users without dissing the less-knowledgable seeking help.