DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION!

I agree with you about "Microcrap" versus MAC OS X.

"...if people would just take the time to research, READ, and follow the instructions, they would have fewer issues, but most feel they can't do anything and so they expect everyone else to do it for them."

Isn't that what this forum is for? It is called a "support community" for a reason, no?

Ok.... lol.... Create a new thread with your problem, and I will try to answer it.... I needed that laugh... thankx

Entertaining thread but a touch hostile. I would agree that perhaps Mountainrivers starts his or her own thread as it appears they have one awfully messed up install of Lion. if you are not willing to clean up your system before installing a new OS then at least have a proper read about the new OS BEFORE installing at least. Coming in at the tail of old threads won't get your problems solved. Open a new discussion and state the issues you are having clearly.

Cheers

mountainrivers wrote:

experienced users with better knowledge who frequent this forum are appreciated when they offer help, rather than making it a personal mission to defend Apple at all costs, and who help fellow users without dissing the less-knowledgable seeking help.

You have to take the current thread into context. The title is "DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION!" and was created two days after Lion was released. It has 14 pages. Many of the participants of this thread, including those that are at each other's throats, are actively helping people in other, less rant-filled threads.

If you want help, start your own question, keep the commentary to a minimum, and you will find the help you seek. The more commentary you provide, the more commentary you will receive. Your choice.

Well said etrasoft. X2

Don't know why you and some others have to be such jerks. I can read fine. If you bothered to read any of my earlier posts you would know I am not having any problems with software since installing 10.7.2.

Your arrogance is not helpful. I doubt I know as much about OS X as you and I doubt you know as much about feline diabetes as I. Doesn't make either of us a genius but were you to have trouble with your cat, I wouldn't be a condescending ahole. No, I wasn't trying to get Office 2004 or 2008 to run on my initial installation of Lion. It was Office For Mac 2011 and I had purchased it 2 months before loading Lion. Specifically, since you ask, I downloaded Lion. 2 hours later, Office for Mac 2011, Preview, Pages, and Adobe all would not open. I have 4 Gb Ram and Lion had made my Macbook crawl. The battery which lasted 7 hours at least the day before, went to 3 hours max with Lion.

I called Apple the day I downloaded Lion and after hours on the phone, the rep suggested I purchase Pages again which I attempted to do via the App store. I couldn't because the App store recognized I already had Pages on my laptop. To be specific, the Apple rep told me many people were having trouble getting Office 2011 to run on Lion even though it was supposed to. He also explained to me about Rosetta and what was happening with it gone. For those of you that have had no problems with Lion, I'm happy for you. For those of you like me, if you listen to the geniuses on these threads you will soon realize you are all morons and every product Apple makes, works perfectly. If you are having any problems it can't be an Apple problem even if Apple says it is. You simply are too stupid to operate your computer and you should do the world a favor and give your Mac to someone more deserving and go buy a Dell.

To be specific once more, 10.7.2 did not solve the incompatability problems I was having with all-in-1 printers and scanners. In fact, it may have been you Tom that suggested an Epson model that works great with my Macbook as long as I use USB. Cannot get the printer to work wirelessly or with the other computers on my local network, but I really don't care. My V30 Epson scanner works fine as does the Epson printer via USB.

I hope if I visit these boards often enough I'll become as knowledgeable and as arrogant as those of you that pretend to come here to help poor ignorant know nothings like me.

Have a nice day.

Sounds like a lot of problems on one computer. I would guess user error. I would backup, scrub your disk and get the nearest Apple store to install Lion for you. Then if you still have problems come back and start your own topic. The original poster has marked this thread as answered. Not much use tagging along on the coat tails of it now.

Cheerio

mulligans missus wrote:

I would guess user error.

Keith Contarino,

Your point, well said. There has always been a negative element on these discussion boards for as long as I can remember. It's a shame really because there are a lot of very good people who have been extremely helpful to me and others in the past. So, although there are some who habitually come on here with the sole purpose of winding people up with responses that have a dual role: 1) to troll, 2) do it in a way that ducks the Rules, there are a lot of people who genuinely want to help. But at the same time, those people who troll on a regular basis, squeal to the Mods when anyone else exposes them for the people they are. Ironically, it's the ones who have their knuckles rapped for responding and standing up to the bullies, that have their posts deleted. It isn't fair, but then life isn't. Anyway, moving on!

I have dealt with enough Macs with Lion problems over the months to know that your issues with Lion are not user error, but are indeed, as "millions" of others have found, fundamental errors within the OS itself. It should "just work" like it says on the tin. They will probably sort the bugs out over time, because Apple is a responsible company, but every now and then, they get it wrong. There's nothing unusual about that, all firms make mistakes. But what is irritating is when followers and trolls post on here and elsewhere for no reason other than to inflame.

My advice would be to do a clean install of LIon, AFTER doing a clone of whatever OS and files you have on your current machine - then if it all goes wrong, or you just don't like it, you can always go back. Avoid Time Machine because that too can be a snake in the grass. Do a clone. Better still, instal Lion on an external hard drive as a bootable OS - as I have - then you can swap between the two as and when you are brave enough, or wish to experiment.

I, personally haven't had the amount of problems others have had, but I have worked and helped dozens of people who have, and I can tell you that in most cases the OS was installed by following Apple's own instructions and guidelines. What is noteable, is that in Tiger and Leopard (and Panther) there was less chance of producing a troublesome installation than there now is with Lion.

Good luck with yours, and if you need help and guidance, I would avoid this thread and search the Discussions for a similar problem, or just Google it - you very often find help over at Mac Rumors et al.

ChrisRR wrote:

as "millions" of others have found, fundamental errors within the OS itself. It should "just work" like it says on the tin.

Millions. Interesting. Can you supply the link to these figures you are giving. Would make an interesting read. And Lion doesn't come in a tin, it's a download or USB stick, and for the tiny amount of people complaining (apart from your figures) it, ummm, 'just works'. This is a trouble shooting forum, of course it's negative.

Thanks in advance for the link.

I got it from the same place as this woman got it from. Follow this link, although I do admit that looking at the source of the info - in hindsight - I now doubt the credibility of the information. It's the 12 post down the page.But have a look anyway.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3201317?start=120&tstart=0

Now, please stop being so negative and blatantly trolling on here. It's not funny, and it's a form of bullying. You can have your opinions but stop bullying people who come here to get help, and discuss issues in the hope that help comes along. You are bullying, and you are posting in a fashion that can only be described as trolling, and bullying. Please stop it.

Thank you in advance.

ChrisRR wrote:

Now, please stop being so negative and blatantly trolling on here. It's not funny, and it's a form of bullying. You can have your opinions but stop bullying people who come here to get help, and discuss issues in the hope that help comes along. You are bullying, and you are posting in a fashion that can only be described as trolling, and bullying. Please stop it.

For a start you could have said that in one sentence. But your claims of 'Millions' of users having problems are the type of negative and misleading comments that confuse people and lead people to believe that Lion is full of bugs and some claim unusable, yet these type of comments are fine to post? All Positive? No Trolling? No Bullying into believing that all should move back to Snow Leopard. No, you have things twisted around and are being of little use, especially in a thread which has been marked as solved.

Perhaps don't cast stones and don't past irrelevant and misleading second hand links from poor sources. And try using less words when trying to explain your way out of silly comments.

Bye

ChrisRR - I agree, best idea is what you have done - put Lion on a bootable external to fiddle with, I've done that. Mind you, I've hardly investigated it at all. Think I'll wait a few more months for more versions, and above all watch these Discussions closely, reckon this can avoid wasting a lot of time.

You still don't see it do you? Let me explain for you. It was you who originally quoted the "millions". That's why I responded with similarly ridiculous invalid statistics. So it was a subtle (but obviously too subtle) parody of your own wild claims. I have no statistics other than yours. You quoted "millions". You did. It was your claim originally. See now? That's why it's sometimes necessary to explain things in more than one sentence because it's not always easy for the recipient to get the message in such a short form.

But morer importantly, you are a bully, you continue to be an irritant, you are doing it now. You are bullying. I have read all your posts on this thread and you are trolling and bullying. There is no place for bullies or trolls on here. I will ask you again, to stop this.

I would suggest, as amicably as possible, to stop your bullying and your trolling and your nasty behaviour towards people on here.

It's a request.

Thanks.

Yep, I quoted straight from the Apple site of 6 Million downloads in the first three months compared to the tiny percentage of users here who still have problems not associated with third party and incompatable Apps, whilst you just troll around with second hand, irrelevent links (you seem to like being repetitive) and still can't even understand when a thread is closed and just have to keep harping on about the 'Horrors Of Lion' simply because of your inability, obviously, to use it. Try to scare people here if you wish, but as mentioned, they are a very tiny minority and not a representation of the amount of people who have downloaded and use Lion. Get over it and read your own trolling posts. They are entertaining in their ignorance.

Case closed. Get with the program.

Cheerio and Happy Trails

From one of the 'Millions'

No, sorry, you've missed the point completely again, have twisted words, and I'm not prepared to let that go. If you actually read mine and other people's posts on here instead of focusing more on ridiculing them, you would start to see daylight. The reason why it's necessary to repeat things is down to you.

I repeat, just for your benefit, it isn't down to an ability of the user, and there is nothing to be frightened of about Lion. As I've said, repeated for you, it's more about preparation and the way we respond to issues that's more important. As cricketrnot got in one go, the message is simple.

And I repeat, just for you, your bullying behaviour is not acceptable. You joined this Community just in November last year, and since then you have only posted negative, derisory, belittling, and bullying posts, not just on this thread but on others too. To join a forum and post solely as a negative and bullying poster is absolutely, by definition, trolling.

Please stop bullying and please stop being offensive. If you've got some experience of problem-solving with Macs, use that experience positively by helping people on here who genuinely - regardless of ability or experience - need some help.