Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

I don't understand those idiots who loves mission control not because they love mission control the fact that they criticise people like me who does not like mission control, you can go and love mission control forever and marry to it if you want. This tread is for us who does not like mission control not for mission control lovers. I just don't understand why you come here and try to tell us mission control is better, it works both way you like mission control and we like spaces & expose. having spaces and expose in system preferences along with mission control is not going to harm mac OS or take a lot of space in your hard drive, people who wants to use spaces & mission control will turn it on or you can keep mission control as the default. if mission control works better for you than just keep using it, do not post here none sense.

boyfromoz I don't want to be rude and I know Down Under English sounds very different, but you aren't writing all those mistakes because you don't want to sound like mulligans missus, are you?

Then you can turn on the spell checker, because you sound like mulligans missus anyway, a lot of talk for nothing.

Anyway, seriously, if you hated Spaces, or if you felt it was bloated, or, like mulligans missus, you thought it was buggy, then you could have started a topic in the Leopard or Snow Leopard Discussions. Actually you can still do that to express such sufferings. Here you are in another discussion.

RobBT wrote:

boyfromoz I don't want to be rude and I know Down Under English sounds very different, but you aren't writing all those mistakes because you don't want to sound like mulligans missus, are you?

Then you can turn on the spell checker, because you sound like mulligans missus anyway, a lot of talk for nothing.

Anyway, seriously, if you hated Spaces, or if you felt it was bloated, or, like mulligans missus, you thought it was buggy, then you could have started a topic in the Leopard or Snow Leopard Discussions. Actually you can still do that to express such sufferings. Here you are in another discussion.

what you talking about? spaces to me never vwork properly. i use expose a bit but hate space. why you make fum of my typing. am disabled. find mission control very easy to use can set up many desktop and get to easy. why i post in snow when i use lion? that for you. you go back snow leopard then go back snow leopard forum and stop make fun of people. you might noyt be able to use mission but better get used because spaces dead and gone for oldies now and not coming back like you should.

you say you dont want to be rude but you do very good job of it.

boyfromoz this is not a silly fanboy discussion where Apple need to be defended from haters.

If you want to express serious personal sufferings with Spaces, open a topic in the Leopard or Snow Leopard Discussions.

If you want to express your love for Mission Control start a topic for Mission Control lovers. (Here no one cares if you love Mission Control or your cat or your mom and dad.)

boyfromoz wrote:

what you talking about? spaces to me never vwork properly.

Again, if you think Spaces don't work, write in the Leopard or Snow Leopard Discussions.

why i post in snow when i use lion?

Then why complain about Spaces? Spaces are not a Lion feature.

you say you dont want to be rude but you do very good job of it.

I thought I could be a little rude, I'm sorry if you feel offended.

Here it's about people who rely on Spaces for their workflow and discuss Spaces as an option alongside Mission Control in Lion. If we can turn it off we may get to love Mission Control as much as you do.

Let's get back on topic.

lol. You is one right off topic. Complain here about thing not existing. I see no one here take notice of you at all which good. You look fool and certainly not no what you talk about. Accept no spaces and move on.

I like it because:

<Copied from http://www.macworld.com/article/161133/2011/07/lion_mission_control_launchpad.ht ml>

Mission Control

Apple bills Mission Control as ‘Mac command central’—a new interface that gives you a quick overview of everything that your computer is doing right now.

You can activate Mission Control in at least six ways: A three-finger upward swipe gesture on a Multi-Touch trackpad (you can change that to four fingers in the Trackpad System Preferences pane); a keyboard shortcut, mouse button, or hot corner you’ve assigned it in that same preferences panel; the Mission Control icon in the Dock; or the Exposé key (F3).

However you trigger it, Mission Control will show you all of the windows (except for minimised ones) that you had open in your current desktop, organized in stacks by application. Each application stack is labelled with the name of the app and its icon; clicking any icon will bring that application and all of its windows to the foreground. You can also click on an individual window in one of those stacks to bring just that one to the front. In addition, you can cycle through all apps in Mission Control by pressing the tilde key (~).

Above those application stacks you see a horizontal array of miniature desktops, representing all of the virtual workspaces you currently have open. By default, you have two of them: your Desktop and Dashboard. (You can change Dashboard from a space into a desktop overlay—the way it appeared in Snow Leopard—in the Mission Control preference pane). Any apps you’re running in full-screen mode become spaces unto themselves.

If you want to use more than those two default spaces, it’s simple to add a new one: In the Mission Control screen, drag a window or app towards the upper edge of the screen. A new picture of your desktop, overlaid with a plus sign, will appear in the upper right corner; drop the dragged item on top of that target desktop, and a new desktop will be created with that item in it. Another way to create a new desktop: Shift to full-screen mode in any of your apps that support it. To delete a desktop, you hover your mouse cursor over it in Mission Control until an X appears in the top left corner, then you click on the X; any windows or apps left in that space will move to your primary desktop. This won’t work with fullscreen apps; to get rid of their spaces, you need to switch to the app and toggle it back to windowed mode.

Moving windows from one desktop to another is simple; too bad that you can’t rename or rearrange those desktops, though.

To navigate between spaces, you again have several options: A three-finger sideways swipe—in Mission Control or from a desktop—will take you to the next space. (As with Mission Control, you can also choose to have that be a four-finger swipe.) You can also click on a space in Mission Control to make it the active desktop. To move a window or app from one desktop to another, you switch to the source desktop in Mission Control, then drag the item up to the thumbnail of the space you want to move it to; you can’t drag apps or windows out of those thumbnails.

You can’t rearrange or rename spaces, either: You get Desktop 1, Desktop 2 and so on, and that’s it. And, unlike earlier iterations of Spaces, you can’t arrange your desktops into a two-dimensional grid; you get that horizontal array only. (Hence the sideways-swipes you use to navigate from one space to another.)

However, you can control a couple of aspects of your spaces’ organisation, thanks to two options in the Mission Control preference pane. By default, ‘Automatically rearrange spaces based on most recent use’ is active, meaning that the space to the right of your primary space will be the one that was last used. (It’s a bit like the way Command-Tab always shows the most recent application directly to the right of the current app.) Keep in mind that this option will result in the order of your spaces constantly changing, so if you’d rather keep them static, just deselect this checkbox. Also by default, when you click on a Dock icon for an open application, Lion will shift you to a space where there are already windows for that app. If you’d like to deactivate that, you can uncheck that option in the Mission Control preference pane as well.

If you used Exposé in previous versions of OS X to show all windows in a given application or to show just your desktop, you can still do both. A three- (or four-) finger downward swipe over an app’s window will reveal all of its windows; below that you’ll see a list of that app’s open documents. Swiping three or four fingers downwards over an app’s Dock icon will reveal all its windows and documents. To show your dekstop, you’ll need to do a reverse pinch with four fingers on the trackpad.

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Couldn't agree more. Apart from having the superior Space & Expose, Snow Leopard has almost 250 useless features of Lion removed.

- No launchpad

- No mission control

- No resume

- No autosave

- No Versions

- No Recovery disk which allows anyone to reset your admin password by starting up with 'command-r' and using the reset password tool provided

- Compatible with both Intel and PPC apps

including — Adobe CS2 through to 5

MS Office 2004 through to 11

There's one, and only one thing Lion does better than SL, and that's Filevault 2.Not worth downgrading from a superior OS to, though, IMO.

Snow Leopard — most advanced OS in the world.

woodmeister50 wrote:

For all those who are in love with Spaces and Expose, just

go back to Snow Leopard and be done with it.

Whether for love or practical matters, I think most of us have done that. Nevertheless we don't want good old Exposé & Spaces to be removed from OS X permanently.

RobBT wrote:

Whether for love or practical matters, I think most of us have done that.

yes most in this thread but what of other millions of users and still buy MBP with Lion. not here complaining. just a few. you no them and that they all went back?

boyfromoz - Let's give it one final try and don't paste and copy another article that is designed to describe the functionality of MC . I don't wish to be rude either but like mulligans missus you are coming across as some kind of evangelistic dimwit. There are several posters on this thread and elsewherewho would like to see the benefits of S and E incorporated within MC or the option to simply switch from MC to S and E. What is your problem with that? I just fail to understand why you spend so much time writing such pathetic nonsense. Have a look on youtube which is a bit more up your street if you really want to have a stupid fight about the so-called merits of MC.You clearly have a very limited understanding of S and E and by your own admission you haven't even used them extensively.Bit like trying to write a road test on a car without driving it!

Just try to answer my simple question this time: Please just tell me one single benefit of MC over S and E? No copies of irrevelant articles please.

Thanks,

Dave

One simple tweak would satisfy me.

In the case of one app visible on the desktop in mission-control view, make it an expanded bundle by default. change it to show the bundles filling the entire area, getting rid of the anamolous case where you made a swipe wanting to see 'more' but saw 'less' instead

walter_l wrote:

One simple tweak would satisfy me.

In the case of one app visible on the desktop in mission-control view, make it an expanded bundle by default. change it to show the bundles filling the entire area, getting rid of the anamolous case where you made a swipe wanting to see 'more' but saw 'less' instead

Walter - one simple tweak would do it for me as well - JUST BRING BACK SPACES!

I left my comments with apple support as well but I'm afraid they are falling on deaf ears!

I just used Time Capsule to go back to Snow Leopard.....call me whatever you like I don't care :-)

I knew I liked Spaces/Expose but I actually forgot how AWESOME it really was in realtion to that half baked MC crap!

My workflow is back and I already feel more productive......WOOT WOOT!!!

cosmofromkokomo wrote:

I just used Time Capsule to go back to Snow Leopard.....call me whatever you like I don't care :-)

I knew I liked Spaces/Expose but I actually forgot how AWESOME it really was in realtion to that half baked MC crap!

You don't have to feel left alone using good old Snow Leopard. There are 31 million of us (they might not all be die hard Spaces users though) and 19 million on Lion.

According to Apple's data, half of Mac users are still on Snow Leopard, the version of Mac OS X that preceded Lion. But Lion, which was released last July, has been the company's fastest-selling OS update, with 19 million copies shipped. Those users now account for 30 percent of those on the Mac platform, the company said.

I read that here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-57378751-248/apple-mac-os-x-mountain-lion-take s-more-bites-out-of-ios/

I hope it's not gonna take Apple more than an OS or two to find out what's so good about Snow Leopard.

And that data is undobutedly skewed in favour of Lion, because I'm sure that those 19 million are sales and don't count the rising number of people who bought Lion but have reverted back to SL.

Even so, I have to admit that 30% of users for a new OS release from only last July is pretty impressive (reflecting the fact, I think, that most Mac users are home or SME users who update more quickly than large organisational users). MS could only dream of such a high uptake in such a short space of time.

And I'm sure that has given  confidence they are heading in the right direction. Of course, it helped them enormously by being totally misleading about how dysfunctional Lion is for many of us who've been on Leopard or Snow. I'd be very surprised if ML gets the same uptake rate. Mac users, I think, have been a bit naive about Apple in the past (certainly, I count myself guilty of that). With the Lion debacle, they revealed their true colors (or lack of... 😉 ).

It'll be a long walk back for them with customers like myself. OK, they're a profit making company, but there's no need to cut your old faithful customer base off at the knees. Throw in all your iOS rubbish if you want, but don't undermine the power and usability of "the most advanced OS in the world" just to capture a few Windows users who've got an iPhone and an iPad.

Poor form, Apple. Poor form.