Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Feb 17, 2012 2:57 AM in response to softwater

The Mac has always been very popular in the graphic industry, among (graphic) designers and musicians (along with grannies and others who like a computer that just works) — if you allow me to cut it short this way. People working in print (at least in my country) have supported the Mac through hard times as well.


I never came across some reading about how the graphic industry reacts to the iOSification of their beloved work space. I'm curious.

Feb 18, 2012 1:41 AM in response to iPotential

iPotential wrote:


RobBT wrote:


I never came across some reading about how the graphic industry reacts to the iOSification of their beloved work space. I'm curious.


It is surprising how little negative press there is - advertising revenue might be an issue.

I am in the Music Industry and have lost no functionality whatsoever with Lion in regards to recording and Graphic Design. In that respect there is serious;y no difference to how I did things in Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion perhaps may be different but we will cross that hurdle when it is released and people can actually form an opinion on it from experience rather than by rumour and speculation. I am not saying this in a smart alec way to you, but just letting you know that by simply turning off Launchpad and Dashboard and using my Mission Control to fit my workflow, I have no change at all to how I worked in SL. So maybe there are many, many others who have not had their workflow effected.


Anyhow, hope this helps


Pete

Feb 28, 2012 5:03 PM in response to tmsnnnz

I completely agree with this comment. The spaces grid of the old versions was much better. Spaces visually easily to locate in a grid not a boring line of impossible to identify thumbnail at the top.


Besides the overlapping windows on each space makes me cry. Before I just pressed a key and I could see simultaneously all of the window I had opened in one space in a reasonable size so I could identify easily and faster they one I wanted. Now all of them appear stacked. How I'm supposed to see they one I want if they are overlapping. I can believe they made this mistake. It's sort of embarrassing.

Mar 6, 2012 9:28 AM in response to kendellrt

kendellrt wrote:


I didn't read the entire 15 pages of this tread. I wasn't sure if I'd find the answer to my question after wading through so may comments. I simply want to know if there is a way to display the Spaces or or Mission Control icon in the menu bar like you could prior to Lion.

Hi Kendellrt


Welcome to the forum.


Unfortunatelty CT, MulligansMissus and Boyfromoz have chosen to ruin a useeful thread with their inane uneducated responses. None of them have got any real experience with regards to Expose and Spaces as far as I can tell from the childishness of their posts.The recent nonsense from CT in response to your reasonable question typifies the point I am making.



To answer your question Spaces no longer exists. Expose and Spaces have been replaced in Lion by Mission Control which I don't believe can be displayed in the menu bar.

Mar 6, 2012 1:49 PM in response to DaveSpencer

And the above nonsense is no better nor any more mature. Why not just set a hot corner for MC? You can swipe through your desktops or go to the hot corner and choose your desktop easily. You can also run it from your dock by default. Spaces and Expose do not look like they will be returning in the next OS so that feature will shorty be two systems behind. Personally I find working with MC makes a lot more sense but others just won't let go and have had to return to Snow Leopard.


Good Luck


Pete

Mar 6, 2012 3:55 PM in response to RobBT

This is correct. I have set up hot corners and/or keyboard shortcuts replicate the previous function. I know that MC has replaced Spaces and Exposé, and I actually quite like it. You can easily set it up to function the way that it did before, just like natural scrolling can be disabled. I'm fond of the menu bar icon because it was a quick way to glance up and see which Space you were currently on. Essentially, MC is the exact same thing but with everything rolled into one.


I didn't check out this thread so that I could read all about people complaints, I just want to find out if I can put an icon in the menu bar.

Mar 6, 2012 4:12 PM in response to kendellrt

kendellrt wrote:



I didn't check out this thread so that I could read all about people complaints, I just want to find out if I can put an icon in the menu bar.

At present, no. But that's not to say that the option won't be included in an update or in Mountain Lion, or that someone may develop a third party hack to return the old feature. Also, walking in on old threads like this is a good way to get caught up in the discontent and stobbourness of other posters and that is why it is often better to start your own thread on your issue and keep it seperate from these murky old threads.


Pete

Mar 6, 2012 6:36 PM in response to tmsnnnz

I thought the whole point about changing something is to improve it and until now I cannot find one reason that make the Mision Control better than the old Expose and Spaces. On the other hand, I have found already many reasons why is worse.


IF SOMEBODY COULD TELL ME WHY THE MISION CONTROL IS BETTER THAN THE OLD EXPOSE AND SPACES I'M ALL EARS.


But please don't bring up the weak sellman point that now you have all in one screen. Yes rigth, you have all in one screen: an expose that overlap all of the windows and a spaces which thumbnails you have to learn to guess what is in them.


When the spaces and the expose first came along I embraced them imeditely because they were great, I use them a lot. Now I just read people's comments (including mine) saying how they can get around the new Mision Control thing to make it work like the old system.

Mar 6, 2012 10:40 PM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


And the above nonsense is no better nor any more mature. Why not just set a hot corner for MC? You can swipe through your desktops or go to the hot corner and choose your desktop easily. You can also run it from your dock by default. Spaces and Expose do not look like they will be returning in the next OS so that feature will shorty be two systems behind. Personally I find working with MC makes a lot more sense but others just won't let go and have had to return to Snow Leopard.


Good Luck


Pete

You rudely suggest that my post was immature nonsense? Why? I highlighted a problem with this thread that has been created by fans of MC and answered the posters question.I cannot understand why the likes of you spend any time on this thread.The clue is in the title of the thread! This does not apply to you so what are you doing here? By all means spend all day congratulating Apple on the introduction of MC but please don't do it here because frankly the majority of posters on this thread are understandably not remotely interested.As I said previously the clue is in the title of the thread!Can I suggest that you start you own thread for lovers and fans of MC.You sound as if you are working at a different level to a lot of the posters on here that would like to see MC drastically improved with the option to use the missing features associated with S & E.Your suggestion with regards to Hot Corners typifies my point.


And please don't give other posters your condescending computer lessons - WERE NOT INTERESTED!

Mar 6, 2012 11:02 PM in response to DaveSpencer

DaveSpencer wrote:


You rudely suggest that my post was immature nonsense? Why?

Well you suggest it of everyone elses. I didn't think yours was any better. As for being rude, I read back on your posts. Do you realise what you say sometimes?

DaveSpencer wrote:


And please don't give other posters your condescending computer lessons - WERE NOT INTERESTED!

Nor are we interested in all the comments from yourself. This is an open thread. I have a right to inform others of facts you refuse to acknowledge.


This is not your thread, despite what you think.


Pete

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