Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Mar 7, 2012 1:53 AM in response to Tom in London

Tom in London wrote:


petermac87 wrote: I have a right to inform others of facts you refuse to acknowledge.

What facts are those?

That not every user liked Spaces. That a large amount of users like Mission Control. That Spaces and Expose have been replaced by Mission Control in Lion. That Apple have shown with information available to date that they will continue on with Mission Control in Mountain Lion and not revert to Snow Leopard.


Pete

Mar 7, 2012 1:57 AM in response to petermac87

That's like arguing nobody should complain about a government policy because some people like it and the gov't intend to continue on with it.


Nobody is under any doubts about what direction Apple is heading in with OS X in general and Mission Control in particular. That doesn't mean people haven't got a right to express and share their opinion against that direction.

Mar 7, 2012 2:00 AM in response to Tom in London

Pete - Get a life mate! Just what are you doing here?


I only reserve my acknowledged and highly developed rudeness for people that really do deserve nothing better.Yes Pete you seem to fall into that unfortunate category.


If any of you MC fans had anything useful to say then I would acknowledge it but so far not one of you has made a single comment worthy of note.


So come on Pete let's have the facts that we refuse to acknowledge. Demonstarte just one single meaningful benefit of MC over S and E. Surely it's not a difficult challenge given your hatred for S and E and enthusiasm for MC.The same challenge was outlined to the Boyfromoz who shares your view and guess what he failed!


Perhaps if you succeed I may even stay with the rather sluggish and beach ball bemoaning Lion.

Mar 7, 2012 2:11 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


Tom in London wrote:


petermac87 wrote: I have a right to inform others of facts you refuse to acknowledge.

What facts are those?

That not every user liked Spaces. That a large amount of users like Mission Control. That Spaces and Expose have been replaced by Mission Control in Lion. That Apple have shown with information available to date that they will continue on with Mission Control in Mountain Lion and not revert to Snow Leopard.


Pete

What's new? You aren't refusing to inform us of those facts we refuse to acknowledge, are you?

Mar 7, 2012 2:25 AM in response to softwater

softwater wrote:


I'd lay good money on 'petermac87' being the same poster formerly known as "Mulligans Missus". Same opinions, same style, joined about the same time that MM got banned.


Yawn. I thought we'd seen the last of "her"... 😢

I seriously don't know what your problem is here, nor why you persecute every opinion bar your own and compare me to some one that you obviously had issues with, but whatever turns you on I suppose. This thread was pushed to the top and thus I made a comment as to my opinion on it. You all take exception to it, well that is not my problem. I seriously feel you have an issue with society and a paranoia towards government, by your sad remarks, but I am more than happy to contiue helping people out in other threads and staying out of your precious little private buddy thread and alleviate your paranoia. I stated my opinion. I followed it up. So have fun and best of luck without MC.


Regards


Pete

Mar 7, 2012 8:27 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


softwater wrote:


I'd lay good money on 'petermac87' being the same poster formerly known as "Mulligans Missus". Same opinions, same style, joined about the same time that MM got banned.


Yawn. I thought we'd seen the last of "her"... 😢

I seriously don't know what your problem is here, nor why you persecute every opinion bar your own and compare me to some one that you obviously had issues with, but whatever turns you on I suppose. This thread was pushed to the top and thus I made a comment as to my opinion on it. You all take exception to it, well that is not my problem. I seriously feel you have an issue with society and a paranoia towards government, by your sad remarks, but I am more than happy to contiue helping people out in other threads and staying out of your precious little private buddy thread and alleviate your paranoia. I stated my opinion. I followed it up. So have fun and best of luck without MC.


Regards


Pete

If your comments on this thread are anything to go by then I think most Apple users would prefer that you keep your ideas to yourself!


You never did manage to answer the relatively easy question did you.


Well done Pete! Cheerio as you used to say!

Mar 15, 2012 9:11 AM in response to tmsnnnz

After reading many posts, I think that I can figure out what was the strategic mistake that led Apple to downgrade Exposé/Spaces into Mission Control. I read that teaching Exposé and Spaces together to newcomers (also to people who has never used a computer before) confused them. So Apple must have thought: "hun, if they have difficulties, we need to simplify this". The mistake is that, Spaces is not for grandmothers and casual PC users. Spaces is a feature for professionals, those of us who need many applications running at the same time with different scopes (programming/debugging, plotting, writting/composing, browsing, organizers, etc.) Not to mention those of us who work with more than one screen! For us, the mixture of Exposé/Spaces in Snow Leopard was both an excellent and an elegant solution. Indeed, one of those solutions that let a deep "wow!" out.


Newcomers and casual PC users do not need more than one space. If you show them how to 1) cmd+Tab through applications, 2) hide/minimize windows and 3) Exposé in full power, they have all they need. So, the mistake is to show them that Spaces exists at the first place.


Many newcomers to Mac are iPhone and iPad users and I guess that Apple wants to provie Macs with an environment that is friendly for them. BUT there is a critical difference: iPhone and iPads are a "one application at a time" devices, while computers are multitasking devices. This means that, most concepts and user interfaces that work for an iPad, cannot work for a Mac.


Greetings

Mar 15, 2012 11:28 AM in response to Arkog

I could not agree more with Arkog. You really nailed it!


This thing about simplifying the operasting system to make it work in all of Apple's devices could be a reason for Apple but then they should not try to sell the Mission Control as better than what existed before.


Besides, judging by the comments of the people who support the new Mission Control I got the feeling that they really don't used it a lot. They say things like "I like it" or "I like the new set up" but this is not a real specific reason of somebody who really use it.


As you mentioned people -like me- who need to have many application open at the same time really, really, regretted the new changes and I have at least 3 specific reasons why I don't like it.

Mar 16, 2012 9:07 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


(...) has no one here yet heard of ReSpaceApp? Its well on its way to restoring all of spaces & expose for Lion.


http://switchstep.com/ReSpaceApp

Thanks for posting. I'm really happy with this news. I hope developing this application works out well and I'll jump to Mountain Lion.



(I think petermac87's post is worth the 10 points for solving the initial question.)

Mar 18, 2012 3:02 PM in response to tmsnnnz

I realize some have made their case for why they could care less about spaces, and think mission control is the cat's meow. As a professional who is/was an advocate of spaces, here is my main gripe in terms of what has caused endless frustration and loss of productivity.


Mission Control > I want to take an application from another desktop and pull it into my current one. This is not possible. I can take an app and drop it into another non-current desktop, but not the other way around. I have to go to that desktop, or cmd+tab to the app, then mission control and drag that window into the desktop of choice. The death of spaces and exposé causes at least three extra maneuvers regardless of approach or keyboard shortcuts. Multiply this times 9-12Xmultiple apps when you're busy, and it makes anyone arguing about productivity with Mission Control laughable. I can appreciate that some may like the current Mission Control and would argue moving toward the future etc., but in my humble opinion, this is moving backwards and is just flat out horrible UI for those working in a production oriented capacity in which the rearrangement of workspaces is in constant flux.


Just my take. I don't need anyone's response telling me to post in the apple feedback, nor any rebuttle on the matter. Hopefully at least one or two of you will see why this could be extremely frustrating for some of us. People that get it, get it. Those that don't, don't. It s**ks very much for those of us that do. I will retire my thoughts knowing that my prior feedback to Apple, this comment, and the opinions of the like minded, will be continuously ignored by Apple.


Thanks for the link on ReSpace. I hope its development is successful and I would happily pay for this if it gets closer to the original functionality.

Mar 19, 2012 1:13 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:


DaveSpencer wrote:


This third party application is a clear indication that there is a need for Apple to upgrade Mission Control and offer Spaces as an option.

Sorry, please explain that a little more clearly?


Thanks


Pete

Should read Spaces/Expose as an option. I think most of the MC haters on here will know what I meant. If a third party feels there is a market for a Spaces/Expose type of application that they intend to charge for surely that must say something about the inadequacies of Lion.

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